Lunatics Running the Asylum

[Mestengo]

Leopold Buy season tickets and come to a game. BTW how many did you make last year from NC.
My guess is zero!

Sorry to play the Army card, but I just can't pick up and leave and go halfway across the country when I'd like to for months at a time - there's a reason the 82nd gets was in Haiti 18 hours after a damn earthquake. I am hopefull that I will get a chance this year, I've already told the Major I report to that I am going to try to go to Texas. That, and SMU plays at ECU this year.
But I went to plenty of home games every year when I was out of school and living in Texas, including that damn 0-12 season and career opener for Phil Bennett when I had to sit around a bunch of dumba$$ Navy guys, so deal with it - I had to.

I have 4 seats on the 50 in 104 pm me when you're in town Army man 2 are yours for a game.
You can also drink with us if you don't say anything about dropping 2 games

[NickSMU17]

Leopold Buy season tickets and come to a game. BTW how many did you make last year from NC.
My guess is zero!

Sorry to play the Army card, but I just can't pick up and leave and go halfway across the country when I'd like to for months at a time - there's a reason the 82nd gets was in Haiti 18 hours after a damn earthquake. I am hopefull that I will get a chance this year, I've already told the Major I report to that I am going to try to go to Texas. That, and SMU plays at ECU this year.
But I went to plenty of home games every year when I was out of school and living in Texas, including that damn 0-12 season and career opener for Phil Bennett when I had to sit around a bunch of dumba$$ Navy guys, so deal with it - I had to.

I have 4 seats on the 50 in 104 pm me when you're in town Army man 2 are yours for a game.
You can also drink with us if you don't say anything about dropping 2 games

Good work taking that foot out of your mouth...

[Mestengo]

Good work taking that foot out of your mouth...[/quote]


Talk about calling the kettle ultra black

[ponyboy]

Aren't you the same guy that said JJ signed his extension...?

Yes, one of two guys on here who made that mistake.

I don't have any desire to return to bennet/caven years...you may...and until JJ signs that extension and the admin clearly states they are going to help...I will be [deleted] all day long....

I agree completely. I don't want to return either. But what's going on is far, far, far from that. We are admitting plenty of borderline students as my new friend Stallion has pointed out repeatedly. Remember Stallion has been the guy holding the we need to compete on a level playing field flag for many, many years. If he's happy, I'm happy.

Nobody reads the observer anyway...and the school is looking bad on its own terrible decisions...

No, not until we started advertising the [deleted] out of the damn article here on this board and then threatened to march on Dallas Hall with flaming pitchforks for an issue that doesn't exist. There is no evidence that Gerald Turner has done anything except EXACTLY what you'd hope for from a sports-friendly university president. You guys are a lynch mob looking to hang anyone you can get your hands on.

[NickSMU17]

JJ told me to stay on Turner...so thats what I am doing...you can take it up with him...the problems are bigger than you think...

[ponyboy]

JJ wants to continue to put pressure on so he can admit anyone under any condition. Turner's not willing to completely wh0re out the school -- he'll only go 98% of the way. Seeing that we're supposed to be an institution of higher learning, that's good enough for me. You want to push for the other 2% great, but don't do it in a forum that runs off recruits and other supporters.

[NickSMU17]

I want what was promised...turner said "Nationally Competitive" and "our students can play here or any other place for that matter."

Thats what I want...esp when we start harrassing a kid that got into penn b/c he is a football player...

[1983 Cotton Bowl]

[quote="NickSMU17"]JJ told me to stay on Turner...so thats what I am doing...you can take it up with him...the problems are bigger than you think...[/quote]

See, that's what I don't get. Other than vague, cryptic statements on this board about "bigger" problems, I just don't see any evidence of it. What we have actual EVIDENCE OF is that SMU has a policy where certain marginal academic candidates must go through additional admission procedures to determine if they can be admitted. Presumably, that means that any athlete with a GPA and SAT above the threshold is automatically admitted (absent character issues). It appears that in the last 2 years, 25 prospective student-athletes have had to go through the additional amission process. Of those, 23 have been admitted and 2 have not (92% admission). I make no comment about the 2 who were not, because I do not know the facts of their cases or the facts surrounding the timing of the admission denials. But the raw numbers hardly paint a picture of a institutional crisis where admissions is killing football.

Maybe the coaches are grumpy because of all the extra paperwork they have to do to shepard these marginal academic candidates through the process and appeals. But its not like they are going through all that effort only to have most of those students rejected.

Maybe the coaches are grumpy because of the academic casualties among the existing players. But it sounds like June is confident that is being handled (from the Chicago report).

I don't recall June complaining at all about the admissions process last year when 100% percent of his marginal academic candidates were admitted. It's only now that the admission rate among the marginal candidates has dropped to approximately 87% that we have a crisis.

Again, I don't know the specific facts of the Hall or Jackson cases, so I can't comment on how those were handled. But as to the question of whether this is an institutional crisis that reflects on SMU's commitment to winning. . .until I see some facts, I'm with Stallion and Ponyboy.

Oh, and the Observer article was just about the most schlocky piece of "journalism" I've ever seen.

[WSGJ]

Oh, and the Observer article was just about the most schlocky piece of "journalism" I've ever seen.[/quote]

Could you point us in the direction of a better article written on the subject?

[1983 Cotton Bowl]

I thought these 2 pieces from the DMN on 7/12 were fair and balanced. The Observer article was a hit piece in my opinion.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent ... 2a848.html

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent ... 2bc65.html

[RGV Pony]

I thought these 2 pieces from the DMN on 7/12 were fair and balanced. The Observer article was a hit piece in my opinion.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent ... 2a848.html

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent ... 2bc65.html

The first link was Turner's damage control article which contained statements from Tunks and no one else.

The second is Kate outlining the process.

I think Keith Olbermann is more fair and balanced than either of these, in particular the first one.

[Stallion]

In fact Kate missed a very important point-she forgot that in addition to these 23 out of 25 Category C athletes there is probably 10-12 more nonqualifiers. In 2010 Class there could be 22-23 out of 29 commitments who are Category C. SMU can win under these circumstances. Way too much overblown BS from this situation and the fault lies at the Football offices steps for sending their lap dogs out to make this an issue. Not saying there is no problem-but it damn sure ain't the end of the world and in fact the numbers establish clearly that admission standards have been loosened SUBSTANTIALLY

[SoCal_Pony]

The Road to the Death Penalty started with the firing of SMU President Hardin in about 1972.

Why do you think Zumberge left and do you think our outcome would have been any different if he had been President instead of Shields during our final days?

[Stallion]

No I think every President from Hardin, Zumberge to Shields was told to essentially butt out of athletics. Remember there were numerous probations-something like 6 separate probations- from 1972 to 1986. Hardin got fired about 2 years into his Presidency for turning SMU in for cheating.

[1983 Cotton Bowl]

[quote="Stallion"] Way too much overblown BS from this situation and the fault lies at the Football offices steps for sending their lap dogs out to make this an issue. [/quote]

Absolutely, the "anonymous sources" from "inside the athletic department" have turned this from a minor issue involving 2 prospective student-athletes into a huge media storm questioning SMU's commitment to winning.

Ok, June and company, the genie's out of the bottle now and its blowing up in everyone's face (including yours). You want to put the genie back in the bottle . . .you better win a lot of football games this year.