It seems to me

[SMUnewbie]

In the end, kids are left hanging.

[Stallion]

Hint: Shortcuts (because its been a little tougher for June to compete in Texas recruiting than he thought) That's also why your daughter was almost attending school with a recruit who had just served a 5 year prison term. An interesting exercise for those that don't follow recruiting-look at the Commitment List at those 10-12 players who have failed or will fail to qualify in 2009 and 2010 Classes. Then look at the number and caliber of the schools that offered. There are a bunch of really nice athletes that most schools are unwilling to pursue. Those 12 or so(exact number has not definitely been established) have like 2-3 Division 1A offers COLLECTIVELY despite the fact many were 3+ stars-that should tell you something. If there is going to be a fight for unfettered control of admission at the university then let's put all the cards on the table so you have the information to make an informed judgment

[RE Tycoon]

Do we know if Ricky Collins was not admitted due to SMU standards or NCAA minimum standards? I can't remember if Rivals covered this, I just remember them saying he was upset.

[Stallion]

there has been no clear statement released by the university but appears the qualification status the following is unclear

Ricky Collins
Brandon Thornton
Arthur Londy
Marice Sutton
JosephThread
Scardino Daniels

although the DMN claims 13 of 15 Category C athletes cleared Admissions. The real number of Category C recruits should probably be 21 out 29 signees.

[Alaric]

Hint: Shortcuts (because its been a little tougher for June to compete in Texas recruiting than he thought) That's also why your daughter was almost attending school with a recruit who had just served a 5 year prison term. An interesting exercise for those that don't follow recruiting-look at the Commitment List at those 10-12 players who have failed or will fail to qualify in 2009 and 2010 Classes. Then look at the number and caliber of the schools that offered. There are a bunch of really nice athletes that most schools are unwilling to pursue. Those 12 or so(exact number has not definitely been established) have like 2-3 Division 1A offers COLLECTIVELY despite the fact many were 3+ stars-that should tell you something. If there is going to be a fight for unfettered control of admission at the university then let's put all the cards on the table so you have the information to make an informed judgment

Darryl Jackson has apparently been offered and has accepted at Tech which means they're willing to play this game (or has Tuberville found recruiting to be tougher than he thought?).

[Stallion]

I don't know what scholarship or type of admission, if any, they have definitely offered yet-its not reported as a commitment yet on their boards. What happened to UCLA? They probably will. My position is that I think SMU should admit full qualifiers but should have discretion not to if something shows up-like questionionable coursework, very low SAT or behavior issues. What I think is stupid is a threatened takeover of the President and Board of Trustees. That is the root of SMU historic problems. Major overreaction to a situation which quite clearly shows SMU has unquestionably lowered its admission standards. Without further information about the recruit's profile I'm not so sure its even unreasonable

[PoconoPony]

Stallion- I think you are right on with your assessment of the admissions issue. If a kid is so marginal out of high school he stands little chance of success in college and will not help any athletic team sittinng or flunking out. SMU is an academic institution that provides an opportunity to receive a college degree in exchange for competing in athletics. The focus must be on academics until such time as every college is designated as a farm team for and NFL club and budgeted accordingly.

[NickSMU17]

I think we should compete with everyone in the state and nation....that means if you get through the NCAA clearinghouse you can come to school here....

Turner said it...I am just following...

[Charleston Pony]

it's one thing to let a guy in...it's another thing all together to keep him eligible. Looks to me like JJ is pushing the envelope with admissions and that is fine, but most of these guys are not going to be NFL material so letting someone in who doesn't stand a good chance of earning a degree isn't exactly doing the kid a favor.

I don't know the particulars of the guys who were denied admission, but I've maintained for years that SMU is at a distinct disadvantage by not being able to offer the broader curriculum that our public school competitors can

[NickSMU17]

If you provide proper support in temrs of tutoring, study hours, excellent counslers who can guide class scheduling...any kid can get through SMU...

It isn't only not providing majors, it is not providing enough help either....other schools can do it, so should we...

[ponyboy]

What do you believe, Nick? Seriously. Do you have any serious refutation to Stallion's comments. Man, you're really confusing me. Do we or don't we have an admissions problem?

Stallion said "SMU should admit full qualifiers but should have discretion not to if something shows up-like questionionable coursework, very low SAT or behavior issues."

Do you agree and isn't this exactly what has happened?

[Stallion]

I'll answer that

WE DON'T KNOW

but examples could also be grades received at diploma mills, correspondence courses used to inflate GPA. Remember the kid who needed 41 hours in 10 months to graduate. we don't need that. One full qualifier who was recently denied at another school-I want to say-USF had 6 correspondence courses which allowed the kid to "wash" poor grades he had previously received. SMU should compete within the "spirit and guidelines" of NCAA Rules and I think some practices really aren't in the spirit of NCAA rules. Admitting what were former partial qualifiers who could have SATs 500-600 points lower than SMU's average isn't either. SMU -yes because of its past-should not be one of the schools testing the margins-we should be close to the margins I agree. to be competitive. I think that is exactly where SMU is at right now. I don't think schools like UT, A&M, Baylor, or even TCU now really test those margins either-they have in the past. You don't see them with 5-6 non-qualifiers and an unusually high number of JUCOs. Hell Texas has probably had about 1 JUCO every 5 years.

[NickSMU17]

As I said before, we aren't Texas, TCU or A&M and until we are playing at that level we need to do everything we can to compete within the legal bounds of the NCAA....

All I am saying is that not only is the admin droppping the ball on admissions they are dropping the ball on the LEC, and counslers helping these kids...

SMU admissions accepts both the SAT and ACT...if you are applying for regular admission and score 1000 on SAT but 29 on ACT, SMU throws out the SAT....why wouldn't they do this for athletes...these guys didn't do well on the SAT so we told them to take the ACT, at that point we should throw the SAT out just like we would for any other applicant...

[Stallion]

I don't know for a fact that SMU does throw out a bad score on say the SAT or ACT. In fact, some one at SMU who would definitely know told me they averaged the scores--that was about 4 years ago. I know other schools do the same thing. Some schools also will take the highest score on English and combine with the highest score on Math to arrive at a blended score

[NickSMU17]

Well, when I applied it was either...

The conclusion here is that these guys should be encouraged to only take the ACT...or at least to wait and submit score after receiving...it costs a little extra but prob worth it...