LOCAL RIVALRY

[football crazy]

I CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHY S.M.U. WILL NOT SCHEDULE U.N.T. TO PLAY FOOTBALL. IF WE NEED TO CUT COST, THIS ONLY MAKES SENSE. PLUS WE CAN GET MORE LOCAL FANS INVOLVED, PLUS BUILD A LOCAL RIVALRY. WE USED TO PLAY THEM REGULARY, WITH GREAT SUCCESS. MAYBE SOMEBODY CAN GIVE ME A GOOD REASON..

[Peruna_Ate_My_Rolex]

See the other 3,021,234 posts on this subject.

[GoRedGoBlue]

I CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHY S.M.U. WILL NOT SCHEDULE U.N.T. TO PLAY FOOTBALL. IF WE NEED TO CUT COST, THIS ONLY MAKES SENSE. PLUS WE CAN GET MORE LOCAL FANS INVOLVED, PLUS BUILD A LOCAL RIVALRY. WE USED TO PLAY THEM REGULARY, WITH GREAT SUCCESS. MAYBE SOMEBODY CAN GIVE ME A GOOD REASON..

Just to humour you...

If UNT beats SMU, then SMU loses recruits and it's embarassing. If SMU wins, so what.

If SMU plays UNT, the attendance isn't very good anyway. It doesn't evoke any real local interest to speak of.

It's a NO WIN situation for SMU.

[football crazy]

I AGREE PLAYING U.N.T. WOULD NOT BE ATTRACTIVE TO US,BUT AT THE SAME TIME THE OLD DAYS ARE GONE, WE NEED TO PLAY SOME TEAMS NOW THAT WE CAN BEAT AND SAVE MONEY DOING IT. WE CAN BEAT U.N.T....U.N.T. IS NO LONGER THE DIRT IN THE WATER THEY USED TO BE, LET'S PLAY THEM AND GET A VICTORY....

[MeanGreenGem]

If UNT beats SMU, then SMU loses recruits and it's embarassing. If SMU wins, so what.

If SMU plays UNT, the attendance isn't very good anyway. It doesn't evoke any real local interest to speak of.

It's a NO WIN situation for SMU.[/quote]

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In 1977, we beat SMU before approx. 30,000 in Texas Stadium (can you imagine that?) and then almost immediately after your Mean Green loss yall went on to sign the best recruits in your school's history. But as for today, you know, this century/millineum; darn it, would yall quit out-recruting us because we can't seem to get anywhere with all the scraps yall are leaving behind! NOTE: SMU and UNT have not played a football game in 12 years! Another 12 years of that and UNT may just have to drop football!

ATTENDANCE? Baghdad Bob strikes again because of the revisionism going on here to make UNT look like a non-draw when you know your WAC East rivals could not touch what an SMU/UNT game would bring in at the turnstiles.

You have obviously not been to most of the SMU/UNT games I've been since 1974 to see all the attendances that you with your giant swath of a paint brush have deemed "ALL" to be very low turnstile numbers. Well, I've been to all of them beginning with the 1'st one in the modern era of NCAA football and that one was in 1974 at Texas Stadium. For some particular reason when the modern era of NCAA football began, ie, the 1950's, SMU would not play North Texas after we integrated with Abner Haynes in the 50's and during the 1960's with the Mean Joe Greene/Cedric Hardman/Ron Shanklin/Steve Ramsey, Leonard Dunlap, Chuck Beatty and Glenn Holloway era. All those players from UNT were drafted in the NFL for what its worth.

The smallest crowd was at Ownby in 1992 and was probably the only time in SMU history they announced an accurate home game attendance number. Amazing how a small crowd for a UNT game at SMU will be accurately announced, isn't it? Think about that, SMU'ers and how petty some of this has gotten with some of your people.

Yet the attendance numbers for that game was not as low as some of you would have liked it to be so you can use "ONE" game to say all of them were just as low when you know that is hardly the case. History and a trip to the Dallas Morning News sports archives looking at some past boxscores will show different with all the other attendance numbers for SMU/UNT football games in the modern era.

Actually, all those other turnstile numbers for a UNT/SMU football game ranged anywhere from 22-23,000 to over 50,000 and for all your old timers who don't have "the green problem" they would tell you the same thing.

I have a video of the entire 1990 SMU/UNT "televised live" game and the visuals on it do not lie yet show an over-flow crowd of close to 23,000 (before Fouts was expanded) and that a game when 2-3,000 UNT students were turned away because of the Denton Fire Marshall regulations. Did you hear me on that? 2-3,000 turned away from an SMU/UNT football game? 2-3,000 is more than any of your WAC East schools (soon to be CUSA West schools) will ever bring to your Ford Stadium for a conference game.

TCU has all but publicly announced that they are going to be just fine without you as a league mate after close to 100 years of your 2 schools being together. So I guess one might assume UNT will be just fine without SMU, too, if we were to be blocked from CUSA membership (which is what we feel has already been taken care of by your offficials, BTW). BUT...no "smoke filled" room sleathing around to lobby for a blackballing of UNT from CUSA is not going to stop our school's momentum. You ever try to put out a prairie fire with a wind blowing 20 MPH?

<>*<> Those who work overtime trying to keep others down many times find they are the ones who will be on the downward swing looking up.

[Bergermeister]

Put some cheese with that whine. Quit posting that junk. Nobody cares.

[MeanGreenGem]

Put some cheese with that whine. Quit posting that junk. Nobody cares.

One man's junk is another man's stark naked truth.

Let the turnstiles count of WAC East football games this Fall determine just how many do or don't care.

Peace......

[gostangs]

Gee MGM - f you would take up some more space, perhaps expand on your thoughts a little more - maybe then we would understand. How can we get your point with only a ten page manifesto?

Are you a lawyer or an English professor? - since you are UNT I would guess the later.

[MeanGreenGem]

[quote="gostangs"]Gee MGM - f you would take up some more space, perhaps expand on your thoughts a little more - maybe then we would understand. How can we get your point with only a ten page manifesto?

OK then, I will work on not being so brief from here on out!

[Eddie P]

MGM,

We're not going to have to worry about our "WAC East counterparts" after next year so that's not the strongest point in the world to make. But I will commend you...you did not once say: "This is not your granddaddy's NTSU"

[MeanGreenGem]

MGM,

We're not going to have to worry about our "WAC East counterparts" after next year so that's not the strongest point in the world to make. But I will commend you...you did not once say: "This is not your granddaddy's NTSU"

Well, I'll tell you what, "Eddie P" that thought did run 'cross my mind!

[KnuckleStang]

We should be playing UNT every year. I've never understood why we don't. At least not in recent years.

While I often agree with my distinguished colleague GRGB, I think his sentiments here are slightly outdated. UNT recently has been generally considered a better team than us. It's not like they're Sam Houston State or somebody anymore. If they beat us, well, that would be a shame, but so did everybody else we played last year. If we beat them, we'd get to say we beat somebody, and to be honest, I'm not even sure I know what that means anymore, it's been so long.

It's in our best interest to play the Mean Green on a regular basis. It just makes geographic sense.

[GoRedGoBlue]

In 1977, we beat SMU before approx. 30,000 in Texas Stadium (can you imagine that?) and then almost immediately after your Mean Green loss yall went on to sign the best recruits in your school's history. But as for today, you know, this century/millineum; darn it, would yall quit out-recruting us because we can't seem to get anywhere with all the scraps yall are leaving behind! NOTE: SMU and UNT have not played a football game in 12 years! Another 12 years of that and UNT may just have to drop football!

ATTENDANCE? Baghdad Bob strikes again because of the revisionism going on here to make UNT look like a non-draw when you know your WAC East rivals could not touch what an SMU/UNT game would bring in at the turnstiles.
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in 1990, it was SMU's second year back, ther were still a lot of die hards there. Ignore that game for your comparison purposes.

WAC East...did you mean, WAC West? Of course, but we are in the WAC (were in the WAC), therefore the VALID comparisons are to our NON-CONFERENCE games, not our weakest CONFERENCE GAMES.

If SMU picks up UNT, then that would be instead of OSU, or TTECH or BAYLOR.

QUESTION: Is UNT going to draw better than those schools?

ANSWER: NO!!! So now, please shut up, bahgdad bob.

TCU has to announce that, it is there best face forward. They will regret not having an 'extra' Texas game year over year. They will be playing 5 or 6 games OUT OF THE STATE every year. Imagine that.

LIke I said before, playing UNT does NOTHING for us, but potentially embarrass us further.

And having said that, UNT is a better team (at least the past 2 years) than SMU right now. I think SMU's Fresh/Soph are better classes by far moving forward, but the average is still in UNT's favor.

TCU has the same problem trying to play top mid-majors or mid-BCS teams. Those teams fear losing and have nothing to gain from it.

[EastStang]

You know what a UNT-SMU game does nothing for either school. Both schools need to play games against BCS conference schools to improve their RPI (assuming we start winning again). A win by either school against the other is an RPI wash. Also, a home and home with OSU and TT is a money maker for SMU. Single game series with BCS schools away (euphemistically called "body bag" games) are needed to bring money to the schools athletic budgets. So, UNT ought to be asking OU, Wisconsin, Iowa, and teams like that why they aren't playing them. Now leave us alone. And don't go into any harangues about joining CUSA, I've heard the WAC may be interested in you now.

[PlanoStang]

I'd rather be playing old SWC foes like Tech, Baylor, and TCU that we have on our non-conference schedule in the next few years. Wouldn't mind playing UNT if we couldn't fill up any openings with Big 12 schools, or any other BCS universities. Attendance at a UNT game probably wouldn't a problem with UNT's recent conference championships, etc.