Article -UNT putting heat on SMU

[MizterTea]

Uh, that's "3" straight bowl games which gives me a subtle clue on how much you know about the University of North Texas, ie, the commuter school that cannot build enough dorms to keep up with the growing enrollment of students who want to stick around campus? I'm also sure they are all going to be education majors, too. Yeppers, SMU'ers! Yall have been right all the time as we are a commuter school/teacher's college...

But concerning our run thru the SBC...

Even you would have to admit that our run through the 'Belt has still invoked maybe a few more anxieties than SMU's has in the WAC....

Don't even know what you are talking about on the statement you made about our recruiting...

Most schools have to see how well they recruited by playing a real live....

BUT ON RECRUITING? We are pleased enough to think this was one of Dickey's best classes (if not his best) because of the size and speed he recruited. Now all of DD's recruits who have those traits will have to do something with them when they arrive for 2-a-days because what they did in high school will be left behind in August when they go through that Denton city limits sign on their way to campus.

[MeanGreenGem]

keep rambling Skippy. You must have an inferiority complex or something, I didnt say anything disparaging about your school and I dont think anyone else on this thread did either, other than there might be better choices for CUSA than UNT. The WAC isn't so bad, would be a good step up in competition. Might be a rude awakening though too. Boise, Fresno, and Hawaii are all pretty good. Nevada and Utep won't roll over either. You must want out of that Sun Belt pretty bad too as much time as you spend over here blaming us for your problems.

Skippy? OK, Poindexter:

UNT does not blame SMU for its problems (didn't know we had that many) but being a Texas-based university we do marvel at how SMU officials seems so apprehensive and petrified of the thought of local competion in a conference setting. We know TCU's dumpin on yall automatically makes it carte blanche for yall to do the same. Seems like mature people who run universities will one day realize all the immaturity going on when it concerns the toy department of their university life, ie, inter-collegiate athletics.

ATTENDANCE? I mean come now, just how many fans do SMU'ers think are coming to Gerald Ford to watch your 'Stangs play Marshall, ECU, UCF, La Tech, etc, etc, etc,??? How many of you are going to their campuses when the 'Stangs hit the road to play them? I think you know what most Metroplexers will expect to see in the Sunday DMN box scores on your home game attendances with the aforementioned schools.

Yet here we have SMU: A school with almost 100 years of an SWC legacy who are not exactly packing em' in at Ford because of that legacy. Nor does that legacy have blue chippers standing in line to get in today. They used to stand in line, but we won't get into that one.

We of UNT do find it fascinating that yall think "we are not worthy" yet a total stranger to your school before you entered the WAC 3 years ago, ie, La Tech, is? Do SMU'ers really think the rest of the Metroplex and beyond don't know what is even up with THAT choice over us?!?!? Do you think anyone believes how any group of college educators could be acting so "un-educated" over things that represent (once again) the toy department of any university, ie, inter-collegiate athletics? Yes, we do marvel at all this coming from the Hilltop, but feel inferior or jealous? Natta....

JUST OLD HAT FOR SMU? SMU black-balling yet another Texas university (as you did TTech and UH when they first wanted in the SWC); yet SMU black-balling another Lone Star state-based school for one located 6 hours away in the backwaters of northern Louisiana? You know, northern Louisiana, a place some of your posters have pegged a hotbed of high school recruiting that UT and TAMU have yet to discover all these decades? And even funnier, that hot-bed a reasons to choose La Tech over UNT? Pretty weak, SMU'ers, pretty darn weak. (Ask Chuck Neinas what he discovered on his visits to Ruston and Denton if you dare to ask him?:)

But do any of you wonder (or really care) how a program with an almost 100 year SWC legacy as SMU's cannot seem to drum up more local support? Having that legacy with all the schools yall had coming into Dallas in which to build a solid fan base that should not have just suddenly disappeared when the SWC went defunct? Try bulding a fan base with who UNT had coming to Denton at the same time and then go ahead and criticize our attendance figures one more time.

Poindexter, Skippy is going to suggest if you are that sold on the WAC, then maybe yall should go ahead and stay in the WAC. By SMU staying in the WAC, then CUSA powers-that-be would get the school they would probably have preferred all along when they found out TCU would not be a CUSA member school in a most important part of their televsion market.

Once again, read my lips AND repeat after me: NORTH TEXAS DOES NOT HAVE AN INFERIORTIY COMPLEX TOWARD SMU--WHY IN THE HELL WOULD WE?!?!?:(

[Hoop Fan]

Why La Tech? When they were invited to the WAC you should know that they were dominating the Sun Belters at the time. They were also winning big games against the likes of Alabama. They were a hands down no brainer choice for the WAC compared to anyone else in the region. They have been good partners therefore SMU, TULSA AND RICE are supporting them, along with Tulane apparently. Is that so wrong or hard for you to understand? Go back and put UNTs 5 years record next to LA Techs back when the decision was made to be partners, ie 1996-2000. Make your case on that and you might prove your point, but we all know you are really just blowing smoke here.

[Greenwich Pony]

If UNT fans didn't have "issues," then why are wasting all the electronic ink on this board? Wouldn't the facts stand on their own?

That aside, I don't think anyone here dislikes UNT because of it's proximity or the fact that it is a Texas school. SMU's stance is largely dictated by returning the favor to Tulane who has helped us so much recently, and Tulane wants LA Tech, though personally I don't see it as a tremendous help to CUSA. The CUSA must find an eastern team to fill out the ranks if it intends to make a long-term run at survival; though there are not many strong or interested candidates. LA Tech, UNT and UTEP do not fit the bill pretty much equally- each has plusses and minuses, but since Tulane wants LA Tech, that's the way our administration seems to be leaning.

I would also like to note that in this decision, SMU's vote doesn't really count for much, no matter who is being voted on. If UNT does not gain membership to the CUSA, it won't be because of anything SMU did or did not do.

[Greenwich Pony]

And just to toss a little gasoline on the fire, there are plenty of reasons for UNT to have developed an inferiority complex with regards to SMU, and that is both okay and perfectly understandable. There's no sin in that, nothing to feel guilty about. However, look on the bright side, I am certain that with a UNT degree, there are plenty of opportunities for UNT grads in the food service and retail industries.

[MeanGreenGem]

And just to toss a little gasoline on the fire, there are plenty of reasons for UNT to have developed an inferiority complex with regards to SMU, and that is both okay and perfectly understandable. There's no sin in that, nothing to feel guilty about. However, look of the bright side, I am certain that with a UNT degree, there are plenty of opportunities for UNT grads in the food service and retail industries.

Uh, did you take reading comprehension at St. Marks, Biff? Then read my prior posts (AGAIN) on the subject of I-N-F-E-R-I-O-R-I-T-Y, ok?

You people just carry on with what yall have been doing lately and UNT will do the same. Let's just see where both of us are in 10 years. I like what they crystal ball is showing for us but Gerald Turner (and Mr SMU Big Donor) don't seem to like what they see as the hand writing on the wall concerning inter-collegiate athletics here in the Metroplex; but even good ol' Gerald & Mr. Big (living in the past) Donor won't be able to keep the cream from rising to the top here in the Metroplex. Color that cream with a shade of MEAN GREEN!

I've hired SMU alums in the industry I've been in for 22 plus years so I really hate to be the one to bust up yet another SMU perception concerning UNT. Something tells me they are not members of this website, though.

[MeanGreenGem]

If UNT fans didn't have "issues," then why are wasting all the electronic ink on this board? Wouldn't the facts stand on their own?

That aside, I don't think anyone here dislikes UNT because of it's proximity or the fact that it is a Texas school. SMU's stance is largely dictated by returning the favor to Tulane who has helped us so much recently, and Tulane wants LA Tech, though personally I don't see it as a tremendous help to CUSA.
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UNT does not have "issues"; we have "issue" with Gerald Turner who has been sleauthing around with his fellow privates insuring UNT does not get the private school vote in CUSA. His announcement in the DMN "FOR" La Tech sort of gave him away on all this, don't you think?

And on the part of Tulane being SUCH A BIG HELP TOWARD SMU? Could it be the help SMU is getting from Tulane on Turner's behind the scenes under the table shenanigans?

Come on, folks, we're grown people here, lay down all the fiction and fairy tales on all this and call an ace an ace and a spade a spade.

I work with a UNC Tarhill who is most unbiased on any of this, but you just have to hear what he is saying about SMU on this matter. Not pretty....

[Hoop Fan]

Forget the inferiority stuff, can you objectively compare UNTs resume to La Techs between 1996-2000? That will be your answer on why Tulsa, Rice and SMU are supporting their current partner, La Tech. Its really not that the evil SMUers have it out for UNT.

[Greenwich Pony]

I don't think anyone connected to the SMU community has it out for UNT at all. I honestly think that nobody in the SMU community really cares enough about UNT to think about it, honestly. And again, I think you grossly overestimate SMU's influence in the CUSA vote. We're not even officially members for another year, and our input is at best minimal. If UNT does not gain admission to CUSA it will be solely because UNT hasn't convinced the other conference members that UNT belongs.

[Greenwich Pony]

Oh, and out of sheer morbid curiosity, which industry is that- food service or retail?

My apologies to by fellow SMU Mustangs. I know I preach against teasing the short bus kids- it's just wrong. I just couldn't resist in this instance. Mea culpa.

[EastStang]

Hey MGG you need to call your State's Attorney and ask him to investigate whether Turner was behind the Kennedy assassination. Give me a break. We have no pull in CUSA other than we are 1 of 11 members. There are not enough private schools in CUSA to win any votes. Last I checked there were four. SMU, Tulsa, Rice and Tulane. Three newbies and a founding member. However, SMU has made it clear that they are following Tulane's lead. And we do have a current conference affiliation with La. Tech. From what's being reported out of Tulsa, there's a big question of whether CUSA expands at all. It may very well be that CUSA won't expand to 12 but will wait and let some of the shifting settle out. Not all new marriages are going to last, and some conferences may fall apart after new attendance rules are in effect. If it is deferred it will give UNT the chance to continue to improve and grow and be around for the next round of shifting.

Lastly, ECU, UCF, UAB and Marshall will only come calling every four years. USM, Tulane, UH, Rice, Tulsa will come calling every other year.

[MeanGreenGem]

Hey MGG you need to call your State's Attorney and ask him to investigate whether Turner was behind the Kennedy assassination. Give me a break. We have no pull in CUSA other than we are 1 of 11 members. There are not enough private schools in CUSA to win any votes. Last I checked there were four. SMU, Tulsa, Rice and Tulane. Three newbies and a founding member. However, SMU has made it clear that they are following Tulane's lead. And we do have a current conference affiliation with La. Tech. From what's being reported out of Tulsa, there's a big question of whether CUSA expands at all. It may very well be that CUSA won't expand to 12 but will wait and let some of the shifting settle out. Not all new marriages are going to last, and some conferences may fall apart after new attendance rules are in effect. If it is deferred it will give UNT the chance to continue to improve and grow and be around for the next round of shifting.

Lastly, ECU, UCF, UAB and Marshall will only come calling every four years. USM, Tulane, UH, Rice, Tulsa will come calling every other year.

Fair enough...

[LA_Mustang]

Wow, there's a reason I've ignored this thread for several days. Seriously, why do you guys keep giving this guy the pleasure of responding to his posts? It makes his day to write one of these three page "North Texas/Denton rah rah" stories and then have us respond.

Throughout his ramblings he constantly makes comments about how we badmouth North Texas but if you look back at the threads no one ever makes any unprovoked, disparaging remarks about his school. In fact, most have been very complementary of North Texas. Yet, he constantly attacks SMU and tells us how we refuse to recognize the true greatness of the Mean Green. Its not hard to see who has the issues.

We all know, and he knows, North Texas is not going to be invited to C-USA. So let’s drop this nonsense and get back to discussing the relevant SMU issues. Let him go discuss this garbage on the North Texas fan board...........wait, is there a North Texas fan board?

[Greenwich Pony]

You have to learn to write before you can learn to post...

[MeanGreenGem]

Wow, there's a reason I've ignored this thread for several days. Seriously, why do you guys keep giving this guy the pleasure of responding to his posts? It makes his day to write one of these three page "North Texas/Denton rah rah" stories and then have us respond.

Throughout his ramblings he constantly makes comments about how we badmouth North Texas but if you look back at the threads no one ever makes any unprovoked, disparaging remarks about his school. In fact, most have been very complementary of North Texas. Yet, he constantly attacks SMU and tells us how we refuse to recognize the true greatness of the Mean Green. Its not hard to see who has the issues.

We all know, and he knows, North Texas is not going to be invited to C-USA. So let’s drop this nonsense and get back to discussing the relevant SMU issues. Let him go discuss this garbage on the North Texas fan board...........wait, is there a North Texas fan board?

I only posts to invoke a response from you, LA_Mustang and it has worked! Think of all the extra bytes this forum gets because of me.

Yes, we have a board at UNT. Ask those on this one who lurk that board more than they would admit. Do you lurk that board, LA_Mustang? I am sure you of all people wouldn't do such a thing.

I'd also tell you how many bytes www.GoMeanGreen.com gets monthly, but you would not believe that either and that would probably [deleted] you off equally as well.

Thanks for your response BTW....

Peace...