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Re: random thoughts about Navy

Postby rich59 » Sun Oct 17, 2010 2:31 pm

Firstly, Navy is a well coached football team that plays with great intensity and is very hard to beat on their home field. Their defensive scheme was to not get beat deep and it worked well. They did not turn the ball over at all which has been a bugaboo for them this year. And it was not because they weren't being hit! I doubt they will ever get hit any harder this year than yesterday. When you play a team at their home, which is a pretty good team, running an offense we seldom see and they have no turnovers, you have your work cut out for you.

Having said that, the game was ours to lose but our team is not talented enough to win against a team like Navy if we lose our focus and intensity like we did at the end of the second quarter. We should have at least put three points on the board but did not. It is often said that the first 3 or 4 minutes of the third quarter are the most important in the game. Navy came out and we had them stopped except they complete a long pass and Old Mo was suddenly on their side and we did not really get our intensity back until late in the game. That long pass on third and long was probably the key play of the game, somewhat like the kickoff return by TCU.

Notwithstanding that pass and their drive for a TD, we might still have won the game if our QB does not make two critical mistakes. A fumble and an Oskie which both turned into TDs for Navy. Hopefully this is a good learning experience for the team and coaching staff. Our kicking game still needs to be improved and we need to learn that when we get someone down, we can't lose focus or let up.

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Re: random thoughts about Navy

Postby Pony_Fan » Sun Oct 17, 2010 2:31 pm

jimhagle wrote:He sadly got outcoached yesterday and this should not be happening to him or the team.


Definitely outcoached - some terrible management. Very frustrating b/c it was such a winnable game. Time to turn the corner on the away games like this. Too many really stupid mistakes on both sides of the ball. That 4th and goal was a killer when Navy scored a TD.
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Re: random thoughts about Navy

Postby rich59 » Sun Oct 17, 2010 2:37 pm

PS, that was absolutely the worst telecast of a game from the SMU point of view that I have ever seen. I respect our military and it's academies a great deal ( I served in the US Army) but that whole telecast was so loaded in favor of Navy and the overall execution was so bad it ruined the game for me.
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Re: random thoughts about Navy

Postby Stallion » Sun Oct 17, 2010 2:46 pm

Probably because the only reason we got to see the game was that it was part of the Navy Football TV Contract with CBSCS. It was not part of the CUSA Contract.
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Re: random thoughts about Navy

Postby Mestengo » Sun Oct 17, 2010 3:47 pm

Pony_Fan wrote:
jimhagle wrote:He sadly got outcoached yesterday and this should not be happening to him or the team.


Definitely outcoached - some terrible management. Very frustrating b/c it was such a winnable game. Time to turn the corner on the away games like this. Too many really stupid mistakes on both sides of the ball. That 4th and goal was a killer when Navy scored a TD.



I wonder how JJ would respond if you asked him at lunch if he feels he was out coached?
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Re: random thoughts about Navy

Postby Pony_Fan » Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:02 pm

He might ask me to leave :)

I just don't understand a lot of the play calling and decisions.
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Re: random thoughts about Navy

Postby Stallion » Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:08 pm

I'm always a little confused with the play calling criticism on this board especially when comments are made about a pass to a particular receiver. In the Run and Shoot there are countless permutations on where the ball will be thrown and to which receiver. That occurs after Jones pats Padron on the butt and calls the "play". Jones doesn't tell his QB to throw the ball to DJ on the slant or hit Cole Beasley on the button hook past the old oak tree-he tells him the formation, tendencies and defensive formations to look for. QB has to read the play and decides where the ball goes.
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Re: random thoughts about Navy

Postby Pony_Fan » Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:26 pm

Since you don't come to the lunches...yes, he sometimes tells Padron to look for a certain receiver in situations. the draw play wasn't working and kept doing it.

Time management before the half and the play calls were very questionable.

But, of course you know everything.
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Re: random thoughts about Navy

Postby mrydel » Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:37 pm

All the second guessers should have their own lunches. But be sure and have leftovers since all of your information and knowledge is in hindsight.
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Re: random thoughts about Navy

Postby Stallion » Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:39 pm

No he really doesn't. Looking for a possible receiver in a particular scenario is different than telling him to definitely throw to a particular receiver even in double or triple coverage. Padron has got to make that call not June Jones.
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Re: random thoughts about Navy

Postby Alaric » Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:49 pm

rich59 wrote:Firstly, Navy is a well coached football team that plays with great intensity and is very hard to beat on their home field. Their defensive scheme was to not get beat deep and it worked well. They did not turn the ball over at all which has been a bugaboo for them this year. And it was not because they weren't being hit! I doubt they will ever get hit any harder this year than yesterday. When you play a team at their home, which is a pretty good team, running an offense we seldom see and they have no turnovers, you have your work cut out for you.

Having said that, the game was ours to lose but our team is not talented enough to win against a team like Navy if we lose our focus and intensity like we did at the end of the second quarter. We should have at least put three points on the board but did not. It is often said that the first 3 or 4 minutes of the third quarter are the most important in the game. Navy came out and we had them stopped except they complete a long pass and Old Mo was suddenly on their side and we did not really get our intensity back until late in the game. That long pass on third and long was probably the key play of the game, somewhat like the kickoff return by TCU.

Notwithstanding that pass and their drive for a TD, we might still have won the game if our QB does not make two critical mistakes. A fumble and an Oskie which both turned into TDs for Navy. Hopefully this is a good learning experience for the team and coaching staff. Our kicking game still needs to be improved and we need to learn that when we get someone down, we can't lose focus or let up.

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good post. plenty of mistakes by a young team but take away the two to's and we win that game going away.
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Re: random thoughts about Navy

Postby Mestengo » Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:51 pm

Also ask him if he really hates Peruna, kind of a two fold question. :lol:

I will nab that table in the front..

BTW Stallion you are incorrect this tme sir.
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Re: random thoughts about Navy

Postby ponyscott » Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:58 pm

Im not sure posters are all complaining about passes from Kyle...more about clock management, responding to the opposing defenses in the 2nd half of games, game time decsions by JJ etc. Thats the luxury of us idiots on these boards...we GET to be Sunday morning quarterbacks here on PonyFans. Thats our right to critisise and/or be homers here on PonyFans, AFTER the game. :-)
I have always thought that JJ doesnt have a sense of urgency sometimes in the game and have seen it many times, from the 1st season to now. He's a laid back coach so thats his style.
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Re: random thoughts about Navy

Postby Mestengo » Sun Oct 17, 2010 5:11 pm

PonyScott are your drinking Vodka now?
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Re: random thoughts about Navy

Postby ponyscott » Sun Oct 17, 2010 5:19 pm

Mestengo wrote:PonyScott are your drinking Vodka now?

No,.... Mrs Ponyscott just brought me a Chai Latte from Starbucks....maybe too much caffeine today?
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