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by San Antonio Mustang » Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:16 pm
expony18 wrote:Gee said he favored the "mixed-up mystery" of the current system. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5845736guess he likes it because somehow OSU has made it into 3 national championships without having a conference championship... BCSNC Stats Big Ten 1-2 SEC 6-0 IF he thinks "that TCU and Boise State do not face a difficult enough schedule to play in the national championship game", then how about we just crown the SEC champ every year as the national champs
If he really believes this then why doesn't he schedule Boise and TCU for his "great" Ohio State.
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by StallionsModelT » Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:25 pm
I'm not arguing that the BCS is a corrupt system, but to say that TCU has played a schedule even close to as difficult as say Alabama, Auburn, Oregon, etc is not true. They have four wins against teams that are in the bottom 20 teams in all of college football. Also as others have said it is a much different thing going on the road in the SEC, Big 12, PAC 10, etc than going to Laramie, Albuquerque, and Fort Collins. Just the facts.
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by Junior » Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:27 pm
expony18 wrote:Gee said he favored the "mixed-up mystery" of the current system. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5845736guess he likes it because somehow OSU has made it into 3 national championships without having a conference championship... BCSNC Stats Big Ten 1-2 SEC 6-0 IF he thinks "that TCU and Boise State do not face a difficult enough schedule to play in the national championship game", then how about we just crown the SEC champ every year as the national champs
isn't that what les miles wants to do?
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by Stallion » Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:32 pm
Or how about voting against allowing horrible conference champions like Virginia Tech and Pitt to get a bid to a BCS Bowl and exclude a worthy team. They created the system which may exclude them from a BCS Bowl. I have little sympathy. I find great delight in LSU's predicament.
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by 450fan » Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:43 pm
How loud will the screaming be if Boise and Oregon lose, and Auburn loses twice.
Then Les Miles will have the chance to roll into Glendale against GFP and the frogs.
They would likely take an RPG to the BCS system at that point.
IF not, and Oregon and Auburn win out to play for the title, we are likely stuck with something like:
Boise - Wisconsin
Pitt - Nebraska
TCU - LSU
Ohio St - Va Tech
The best change would be Stanford for Pitt. Criminal Pitt is there.
I'd prefer JJ and SMU to the above.
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by Harry0569 » Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:48 pm
450fan wrote:How loud will the screaming be if Boise and Oregon lose, and Auburn loses twice.
Then Les Miles will have the chance to roll into Glendale against GFP and the frogs.
They would likely take an RPG to the BCS system at that point.
IF not, and Oregon and Auburn win out to play for the title, we are likely stuck with something like:
Boise - Wisconsin
Pitt - Nebraska
TCU - LSU
Ohio St - Va Tech
The best change would be Stanford for Pitt. Criminal Pitt is there.
I'd prefer JJ and SMU to the above.
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LSU should not be able to play for the NC. They did not even win their division.
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by SMU2007 » Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:49 pm
this whole argument is exactly why college football is, and always will be unless there are major changes, a completely inferior sport. there is no standardization of schedules across the board so it is impossible to really make any conclusions based off the regular season.
if i were in charge, i would try to standardize out of conference schedules by pitting one conference vs. another for all non conference games. (ex Big XII vs. ACC for all OOC).
until teams play a fairly even schedule, you can argue all you want about which conference is great and which is terrible, but it's pretty hard to say, oh TCU would run the table in the Big XII but would lose 5 games in the SEC. it is all just complete conjecture.
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by StallionsModelT » Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:58 pm
It will be interesting to see if indeed TCU bolts for the Big East (which IMO will be raided quickly by the Big 10 and/or ACC) to see where they end up and if other schools set off the chain reaction of conference realignment like Texas almost did this year. Could conference realignment be the death knell for the BCS?
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by couch 'em » Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:59 pm
StallionsModelT wrote:I'm not arguing that the BCS is a corrupt system, but to say that TCU has played a schedule even close to as difficult as say Alabama, Auburn, Oregon, etc is not true. They have four wins against teams that are in the bottom 20 teams in all of college football. Also as others have said it is a much different thing going on the road in the SEC, Big 12, PAC 10, etc than going to Laramie, Albuquerque, and Fort Collins. Just the facts.
Facts that mean nothing. You cannot punish TCU/Boise for being in a weak conference. They would LOVE to be in a better conference, but they are not being allowed to. Also, shouldn't the millions and millions of dollars TCU/Boise are missing out on, plus the recruiting handicaps they face balance out their easier schedule? TCU has easier schedule but harder off the field roadblocks. SEC has harder schedule and easier off the field roadblocks. Sounds fair.
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by PonyPlayer4 » Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:44 pm
Boise Jumps TCU this week with a win over Nevada.
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by SoCal_Pony » Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:14 pm
NickSMU17 wrote:Once again, I think everyone discounts how hard it is to go on the road in a major conference and win....Even when playing bad schools like Illinois, indiana in the big 10, you are still walking into a stadium of 60k and more, who want you to lose....Not sure any of the non BCS teams do that more than once a season....
Agree 100% Boise State and TCU are taking advantage of the system, there is no doubt IMO. Compare their 2 conferences versus the PAC-10 in Sagarin Ratings. Worst team in the PAC-10 is Washington State, who have a ranking of 69. That would place them in the middle of the MWC and the top half of the WAC. Stallion has consistently promoted the correlation between Rival rankings and team performance, which I agree with. TCU dominates the non-BCS rivals rankings and dominates the non-BCS on the field. But what Stallion has not yet reconciled to me is how TCU goes from Rivals rankings of the mid-40's to a Top 5 team? Is it coaching or is it their scheduling? I say its their scheduling and absolutely NO WAY they go undefeated in the PAC-10 or SEC this year. This is not meant as a criticism of TCU. They are hindered in their recruiting by not being a BCS member.
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by PonyKai » Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:23 pm
Hasn't Oregon played one bowl eligible team this season?
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by Stallion » Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:37 pm
I don't know enough about Boise to really comment because I don't follow their recruiting methods that they may use to get and retain top prospects in school. But the biggest thing TCU does is that they have an incredible record of keeping their kids in school. TCU signs only about 18-21 kids a year(I guarantee you that is among the lowest in the Country) while many SEC schools are averaging 28-30 a year. How does that happen. 10 players more every year that's 40-50 over 4 or 5 years. That's a lot of wasted Rivals' Bonus Points that never see the field. Credit TCU for developing the players they target. Yet TCU always graduates large numbers of players. Stars don't matter if they aren't in school. In addition, as I've said many times-THESE BSC SCHOOLS ARE NOT AS STRONG AS THEY USED TO BE. Look at how the NFL Draft takes 2-4 undergraduate players a year off the Top Teams like OU, Florida, USC, Alabama. OU had 4 including 2 in Top 5 I believe last year and another in the 3rd Round. All these schools are losing the BEST PLAYERS on their roster. How do you replace a Vince Young or Bradford when they turn Pro a year early. How about a Reggie Bush? While they can be replaced long term these teams clearly are not as strong as they would have been.
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by jtstang » Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:50 pm
Stallion wrote:I don't know enough about Boise to really comment because I don't follow their recruiting methods that they may use to get and retain top prospects in school.
They stick to players who like blue.
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by EastStang » Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:52 pm
I think TCU has a better argument this year over Boise. They probably will have beaten by years end, Utah, AFA, BYU, Oregon State, Baylor (who has played well in the Big XII this year), and SMU (hopefully a CUSA championship finalist). 6 quality wins. Boise had VT and Oregon State and also will have Nevada. 3 quality wins. But other than perhaps Fresno and Hawaii, not a lot of quality competition. Now what about a 1 loss SEC team? Yes, LSU has played probably 7 quality opponents. Auburn will have about 7 as well. Their OOC features such stellar teams as ULM, McNeese State, Chattanooga, Arkansas State. Auburn did face Clemson OOC (and won in OT). LSU faced UNC with half its team ineligible. Kentucky and Vanderbilt I did not count as quality opponents.
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