Orsini's Contract/Doh/ Pats

[CalallenStang]

and of those listed, the one available who we actually could have a shot at would be BCG.

So the options are BCG or up and comer?

Turner wants Rob Evans

still?

Yeah. Evans is Turner's 1st, 2nd, and 3rd choice.

[CA Mustang]

I really don't think Orsini hit a home run w/JJ. He vastly overpaid, and 'supposedly' maxed out our best boosters, and left us w/this mess in hoops. Only two revenues, and you cant steal from Peter to pay Paul. ... That said, showing JJ that type of cash in a non-BCS environment, where we draw 16k or whatever, is questionable.

Please share the names of the football coaches SMU could have hired for significantly less than JJ who would have delivered similar results (both on field and off) in the same time frame.

[ponyboy]

I think his point is we could've gotten JJ for less.

[i phone money]

Seems like a bad time to be looking for a new AD when all the rumors of conference realignment are going on.

[CA Mustang]

I think his point is we could've gotten JJ for less.

At best, that's a HUGE maybe. Even if JJ was convinced to come to SMU for say $1.5M instead of $2M, would that make the situation significantly different?

If the point is SMU should have paid in the $500K - $800K range for a football coach; 1) There's no way they could have gotten JJ and 2) You would have probably end up with a FCS coach (the route Rice took). If you think that's the approach SMU should have taken, then please explain in detail.

[SoCal_Pony]

I've been told time and again that June isn't really the fan of Orsini many think.

I really don't think Orsini hit a home run w/JJ. He vastly overpaid, and 'supposedly' maxed out our best boosters

PonyDoh,

You made these quotes less than an hour apart.

So you are saying Orsini vastly overpaid for JJ, but JJ is not that big a fan of Orsini?

One would think that there would be a sense of gratitude to SO for the $$$ received.

You care to elaborate any more on this?

[PonyDoh]

I've been told time and again that June isn't really the fan of Orsini many think.

I really don't think Orsini hit a home run w/JJ. He vastly overpaid, and 'supposedly' maxed out our best boosters

PonyDoh,

You made these quotes less than an hour apart.

So you are saying Orsini vastly overpaid for JJ, but JJ is not that big a fan of Orsini?

One would think that there would be a sense of gratitude to SO for the $$$ received.

You care to elaborate any more on this?

I'm sure there is a sense of gratitude, but it doesn't mean they are buddy buddy or that he thinks Orsini is a high end AD. It's very possible that he thinks Orsini got crazy w/the cheese whiz, and recognizes that as much as it benefits him, it hurts the department in other ways currently.

FWIW, people need to understand I'm not bagging on JJ. Love the man, great coach etc. It's Orsini's job to make good business deals and hire the appropriate people. It's also his job to keep the department as close to budget as possible etc. IF we have to sit on our hands w/regards to Doh, for multiple years, b/c we're capped out, that's on Orsini. IF our booster base is stretched to the point where it can't step up w/regards to Doh, it's irresponsible fundraising on Orsini's part. We need to have the ability to move

[PonyDoh]

I think his point is we could've gotten JJ for less.

At best, that's a HUGE maybe. Even if JJ was convinced to come to SMU for say $1.5M instead of $2M, would that make the situation significantly different?

If the point is SMU should have paid in the $500K - $800K range for a football coach; 1) There's no way they could have gotten JJ and 2) You would have probably end up with a FCS coach (the route Rice took). If you think that's the approach SMU should have taken, then please explain in detail.

First off, June is getting 2.75 this year. Grabbing June/someone for 1.5mil-2 mil would have made all the difference in buying Doh out.

[CA Mustang]

First off, June is getting 2.75 this year.

Okay, he started at $2M but got a bump after last year. Is SMU picking up the additional $750K or is that coming from the C of C?

Grabbing June/someone for 1.5mil-2 mil would have made all the difference in buying Doh out.

1) Would JJ have come to SMU for $1.5M (instead of $2M)?
2) Who would you have hired for ~$1.5M that would have achieved similar results?

[PonyDoh]

First off, June is getting 2.75 this year.

Okay, he started at $2M but got a bump after last year. Is SMU picking up the additional $750K or is that coming from the C of C?

Grabbing June/someone for 1.5mil-2 mil would have made all the difference in buying Doh out.

1) Would JJ have come to SMU for $1.5M (instead of $2M)?
2) Who would you have hired for ~$1.5M that would have achieved similar results?

You are getting caught up in minutia. It doesn't matter who pays the man's salary, boosters or the AD. Between the two of them, there is only so much money to go around and that's what we have for hoops & football.

If rumors prove true, all that money is going to June and none to improving the plight of basketball, which is the program w/a significantly higher ceiling. I'm pro revenue, so this isn't about burning down football to make a hoops point. Unfortunately, Orsini may be burning down hoops by leaving nothing in the vault. At a time when we need to make a move, he may have left us w/nothing. He should be looking after both revenues, not selling one down the river, so we can all enjoy 7-5 in an awful league, w/no marquee wins. Not a shot at football's progress, as much as a point about what he's allowed the hoops program to become.

Furthermore, many have heard Orsini was low-balled in his most recent contract negotiations, and as of now, isn't at SMU beyond this contract. That shouldn't be a surprise w/how he floats his resume out there anyway. It's also no ancient secret he's not particularly contented in this position. Taking all that into account, who hires a new hoops coach, if we have limited funds and a lame duck AD?

FWIW, I don't care about any of your June questions, cause they can't be answered. That said, conventional wisdom and industry standard isn't to go dark during the head coach courting process for months, then pay $2.75mil for a coach in a non-BCS league w/no history of legit attendance. Paying that type of money clearly says you're loaded. If we're so loaded, where is our Doh buy-out loot, and the 1.5 for the next coach?

[ponyboy]

I've been told time and again that June isn't really the fan of Orsini many think.

I really don't think Orsini hit a home run w/JJ. He vastly overpaid, and 'supposedly' maxed out our best boosters

PonyDoh,

You made these quotes less than an hour apart.

So you are saying Orsini vastly overpaid for JJ, but JJ is not that big a fan of Orsini?

One would think that there would be a sense of gratitude to SO for the $$$ received.

You care to elaborate any more on this?

I'm sure there is a sense of gratitude, but it doesn't mean they are buddy buddy or that he thinks Orsini is a high end AD. It's very possible that he thinks Orsini got crazy w/the cheese whiz, and recognizes that as much as it benefits him, it hurts the department in other ways currently.

FWIW, people need to understand I'm not bagging on JJ. Love the man, great coach etc. It's Orsini's job to make good business deals and hire the appropriate people. It's also his job to keep the department as close to budget as possible etc. IF we have to sit on our hands w/regards to Doh, for multiple years, b/c we're capped out, that's on Orsini. IF our booster base is stretched to the point where it can't step up w/regards to Doh, it's irresponsible fundraising on Orsini's part. We need to have the ability to move

Or maybe basketball's just not that important in the grand scheme vis a vis football.

[PonyDoh]

Or maybe basketball's just not that important in the grand scheme vis a vis football.

that certainly seems to be the way this football-centric AD is treating it, right or wrong.

[PonySnob]

At least Orsini still has his goal of "top 25 in everything we do"!

[Big Hoss]

We hired Doherty before JJ, so it's not like the went cheap on a basketball coach because we were saving up for our next football coach. They went and hired a basketball coach with a name, which seemed like it would make a splash, but it didn't. Should we move on? Probably.

But given how much money has been spent in the last 10 years on athletics and facilities at SMU, and given the vastly deep pockets some of our alums have, and how much money SMU has in general, I have a very, VERY difficult time thinking that we are only holding on to coach Doh because of money.

[CA Mustang]

...so we can all enjoy 7-5 in an awful league, w/no marquee wins. Not a shot at football's progress...

Thanks. Some would see that as a shot, so I'm glad you clarified your point.

...as much as a point about what he's allowed the hoops program to become.

So who is most responsible for that, Doherty or Orsini?

FWIW, I don't care about any of your June questions, cause they can't be answered.

Then why keep griping about how JJ is overpaid when you fail to come up with credible alternatives? It comes across as simple jealousy.