Orsini's Contract/Doh/ Pats

[Cardinal Puff]

Think Orsini hit a walk off with the JJ hire. Don't think the circle of champions is also the circle of basketball fans.

[PonyDoh]

We hired Doherty before JJ, so it's not like the went cheap on a basketball coach because we were saving up for our next football coach. They went and hired a basketball coach with a name, which seemed like it would make a splash, but it didn't. Should we move on? Probably.

But given how much money has been spent in the last 10 years on athletics and facilities at SMU, and given the vastly deep pockets some of our alums have, and how much money SMU has in general, I have a very, VERY difficult time thinking that we are only holding on to coach Doh because of money.

I have a difficult time believing we don't have the money as well, but it seems to be 'excuse' that's been going around for a year. FWIW, the current basketball staff doesn't think they are going anywhere b/c the AD lacks money for the buy-out, partially b/c the current coach still has the support of the a few prominent hoops boosters. Again, Doh & staff think they are here next year b/c we lack funds to buy them out.

[PonyDoh]

...so we can all enjoy 7-5 in an awful league, w/no marquee wins. Not a shot at football's progress...

Thanks. Some would see that as a shot, so I'm glad you clarified your point.

...as much as a point about what he's allowed the hoops program to become.

So who is most responsible for that, Doherty or Orsini?

FWIW, I don't care about any of your June questions, cause they can't be answered.

Then why keep griping about how JJ is overpaid when you fail to come up with credible alternatives? It comes across as simple jealousy.

The first quote isn't a shot, it's the truth. What's to debate?

Both Orsini & Doherty are to blame for the current state of hoops.

I'm not griping about how much June is paid, I'm glad to have him. Great football coach and seemingly a very decent person. I'm griping that we apparently used every last cent to get him and have left basketball to die. Reputable ADs don't do that. Figure out a way to accomplish both revenues goals w/a defined amount of money. You don't just give it all to one sport and let the other one hang in the breeze.

You aren't tackling the points here, just getting hung up on perceived slights of football. I'm far from jealous of football, cause I love football, watch every game, and live & breathe every down. That said, this AD has a way of creating animosity between the revenues. Of course, that happens when one is the red-headed step child.

[CA Mustang]

With back-handed compliments like that...

Since you only want to look at the big picture, did you consider the fact that boosters have their own preferences? Just because they reached deep to support football doesn't mean they are willing to cough up dough to clean up the men's basketball program. Even if JJ hadn't been hired, it doesn't mean those dollars would be available for men's basketball (or any other sport).

[SoCal_Pony]

thanks for the posts PonyDoh, they are informative

[PonyDoh]

With back-handed compliments like that...

Since you only want to look at the big picture, did you consider the fact that boosters have their own preferences? Just because they reached deep to support football doesn't mean they are willing to cough up dough to clean up the men's basketball program. Even if JJ hadn't been hired, it doesn't mean those dollars would be available for men's basketball (or any other sport).

Very legit point. Certainly, boosters are allowed to allocate money any which way they want. I'm sure there are more than a few that are football-only boosters, and I'm happy to have them. Still, it's Orsini's job to have hoops back as well. If it's not the CoC, figure out a similar group. Basketball needs a hoops only support group/board, and I'm not talking Doh's cigar club.

[RGV Pony]

Hoops has a good starting point, even if they only used Doh's fave booster to this point (JDM) and the one that ran Tubbs out of town (MW).

[ponyboy]

And I'd like to make a point. Do we really give Orsini credit for the JJ hire? He did have to presumably circle up the Circle of Champions. But Jones fell in his lap, plain and simple.

[PonyDoh]

And I'd like to make a point. Do we really give Orsini credit for the JJ hire? He did have to presumably circle up the Circle of Champions. But Jones fell in his lap, plain and simple.

At a non-BCS school, you can get tons of stuff to fall in your lap for 2.75 mil. That's not really negotiating a deal, that's making it rain.

[ponyboy]

That and Jones contacted us about the job.

[EastStang]

First, there are a ton of good young coaches out there to be found, if we can't afford steak, buy fresh hamburger. Second, Doh was a least expensive "name" coach out there. Now if you get a Circle of Champions for hoops and raise $100 Million, you can go after any coach you want (except for a few "legends").

[PonyDoh]

First, there are a ton of good young coaches out there to be found, if we can't afford steak, buy fresh hamburger. Second, Doh was a least expensive "name" coach out there. Now if you get a Circle of Champions for hoops and raise $100 Million, you can go after any coach you want (except for a few "legends").

Hoops needs a circle of champions that is made up of money boosters and alum, ex SMU ballers, and a few hoops industry types. All big basketball programs have a support group specifically designated to basketball.

Trustees Of Mustang Basketball

[CalallenStang]

First, there are a ton of good young coaches out there to be found, if we can't afford steak, buy fresh hamburger. Second, Doh was a least expensive "name" coach out there. Now if you get a Circle of Champions for hoops and raise $100 Million, you can go after any coach you want (except for a few "legends").

Hoops needs a circle of champions that is made up of money boosters and alum, ex SMU ballers, and a few hoops industry types. All big basketball programs have a support group specifically designated to basketball.

Trustees Of Mustang Basketball

Did you go with TOMB on purpose

[PonyDoh]

First, there are a ton of good young coaches out there to be found, if we can't afford steak, buy fresh hamburger. Second, Doh was a least expensive "name" coach out there. Now if you get a Circle of Champions for hoops and raise $100 Million, you can go after any coach you want (except for a few "legends").

Hoops needs a circle of champions that is made up of money boosters and alum, ex SMU ballers, and a few hoops industry types. All big basketball programs have a support group specifically designated to basketball.

Trustees Of Mustang Basketball

Did you go with TOMB on purpose

Absolutely lol. The TOMBS crew is the new CoC

[CalallenStang]

Whoever is the next coach at SMU will have a drastically better landscape to recruit in than Doh did when he first got here. New Crum Center, Tubbs debacle further in the past, etc. Time for the TOMB to go get a big name!