Hawaii year 1 vs SMU year 3

[mrydel]

I have never played QB. I have not even played one on TV, but I do know that the last 2 games of the year were the first and only games we played on real grass. I also know that most grass fields have a crown down the middle and artificial fields do not. Is this enough of a factor that it could have contributed to some poor accuracy in the final 2 games?

Artificial fields do have a crown. Old Texas Stadium had a notoriously high crown that Brett Favre cried about, damn loser.

Some may but I do know that most do not. It depends on the drainage system installed. It was a big deal when artificial fields first began. The effect was the opposite of what I am asking now. QBs used to throwing with a crown were very inaccurate for a while until the adjustment was made.

[b_caesar]

How is it that prior year teams and output and results are continually being compared to current year teams and output and results, when all games occurred in different locations, under different weather conditions and unpredictable climates, at different times of the day, with different personnel and staff and students and faculty and fans and team members with different psychological dispositions and disparate family situations and socio-economic status and academic requirements and training schedules and practice habits and sheer talent and abilities and personal emergencies and internal demons and tendencies towards addiction (or not) and who-knows-what other miniscule and/or broad world-wide politically or socially or economically global factors and inevitably have "experts" (or not) rise up with utter certainty to believe beyond a shadow of a doubt and blatantly proclaim that one team's achievement can be deemed "better" or "worse" than any other just because of an insignificant difference in average points in said statistical output and results, given all the intangible variables which cannot be controlled or mitigated under any favorable or unfavorable condition, not to mention a little blind luck here and there?

Methinks 'tis a sisyphean task in which neither side can prevail to any degree of ultimate satisfaction.

/rhetoric generator

That said, past performance is not, and can never be, fully indicative of future results.

[couch 'em]

A thread worth reviving. Our offense is not performing anywhere near Hawaii even in their first year under Jones. We aren't even performing as well as some of the Bennett teams. All against similar competition. We have a major problem SOMEWHERE leading to no scoring.

[couch 'em]

Also interesting:

Let's compare this year to the 2006 6-6 year under Bennett.

To adjust for the much easier non-conference schedule, let's look at only CUSA games.

http://www.totalfootballstats.com/Team_College.asp?id=131&Season=2006

SMU 2006:
9/30/2006 @ Tulane W 33-28
10/7/2006 @ Texas-El Paso L 21-24
10/14/2006 Marshall W 31-21
10/21/2006 @ East Carolina L 21-38
10/31/2006 Alabama-Birmingham W 22-9
11/11/2006 Houston L 27-37
11/18/2006 Tulsa W 34-24
11/25/2006 @ Rice L 27-31

Average points scored per game: 27

SMU 2010 CUSA only:
09/11/10 vs. UAB * Ford Stadium W, 28-7
10/02/10 at Rice * Houston, Texas W, 42-31
10/09/10 vs. Tulsa * Ford Stadium W, 21-18
10/23/10 vs. Houston (Homecoming) * TV Ford Stadium L, 45-20
10/30/10 at Tulane * TV New Orleans, La. W, 31-17
11/06/10 at UTEP * El Paso, Texas L, 28-14
11/20/10 vs. Marshall * Ford Stadium W, 31-17
11/26/10 at East Carolina * TV Greenville, N.C. W, 45-38 (OT)
C-USA Championship
12/04/10 at UCF TV Orlando, Fla. L, 17-7

Average points per game: 26.56. Take out the OT TD against ECU and we're at 25.89.


So when looking against similar competition (and actually, the defenses may have been better in CUSA in 2006 - they certainly couldn't be worse) we are the same or slightly worse than the Rusty Burns/Justin Willis offense.

This really tells us how much Tom Mason is saving us.

Could this team even beat the 2006 6-6 Bennett SMU team? That team had horrible defense, but we've faced some ranking 100+ defenses this year and didn't score what 2006 team scored. Meanwhile our D has been playing pretty well, but so did the 2006 O. I think it would be a good game.

I think overall we are far more talented than 2006 but are missing something key on offense.

[Warbow]

Interesting conversation...Here's a copy and paste from the Hawaii board on run and shoot QB's. Here's a link to the conversation that followed.

http://forums.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=219&f=1136&t=6942389

"Excluding Colt Brennan’s MONSTER junior season, and his sophomore season, when he led us to an underwhelming 5-7 record, I think it is interesting to compare the top performances of our best quarterbacks in the run and shoot era. Draw your own conclusions": by UHWorrier

Year Name Comp Att Pct Yds Y/A TD INT Rating Record

1999 Dan Robinson 288 556 52.4 3,853 6.9 28 19 138.6 9-2

2001 Nick Rolovich 233 405 57.5 3,361 8.3 34 9 150.5 9-3

2004 Timmy Chang 358 602 59.5 4,258 7.1 38 13 135.4 8-5

2007 Colt Brennan 359 510 70.4 4,343 8.5 38 17 159.8 12-1

2010 Bryant Moniz 361 555 65.0 5,040 9.1 39 15 159.1 10-4

[Stallion]

I'm not sure about Mountz but aren't those all Senior years for those QBs at least the ones coached by June Jones. And as you referenced Colt Brennen had an astronomical Junior year after he lead team to a 5-7 record as a Sophomore. I'll stick with Padron and I'm excited to see what he can do as long as he has a strong receiving corp-still some questions in my mind about that.

[SMU89]

How is it that prior year teams and output and results are continually being compared to current year teams and output and results, when all games occurred in different locations, under different weather conditions and unpredictable climates, at different times of the day, with different personnel and staff and students and faculty and fans and team members with different psychological dispositions and disparate family situations and socio-economic status and academic requirements and training schedules and practice habits and sheer talent and abilities and personal emergencies and internal demons and tendencies towards addiction (or not) and who-knows-what other miniscule and/or broad world-wide politically or socially or economically global factors and inevitably have "experts" (or not) rise up with utter certainty to believe beyond a shadow of a doubt and blatantly proclaim that one team's achievement can be deemed "better" or "worse" than any other just because of an insignificant difference in average points in said statistical output and results, given all the intangible variables which cannot be controlled or mitigated under any favorable or unfavorable condition, not to mention a little blind luck here and there?

Leading contender for the 2010 longest sentence award.

[Warbow]

I'm not sure about Mountz but aren't those all Senior years for those QBs at least the ones coached by June Jones. And as you referenced Colt Brennen had an astronomical Junior year after he lead team to a 5-7 record as a Sophomore. I'll stick with Padron and I'm excited to see what he can do as long as he has a strong receiving corp-still some questions in my mind about that.

You are correct, all but Moniz was a senior. Moniz is a Jr.

That was Robinson's first year in the run and shot under June Jones. A freshman as far as experience goes.

Rolovich was a JC transfer with a couple of games under his belt before starting his senior year. A Soph as far as experience goes.

Chang was a six year senior I believe, seems like the guy was there forever.

In my opinion, the longer a QB stays in the run and shoot, the worse they perform. Brennan had a monster year his Jr. year and declined his Sr. year. Chang was on decline since his Soph season. Can't judge Rolo and Robinson on this because they only started one year. I think it has something to do with thinking to much on the field. The young inexperience QB's pretty much just react to a situation, while the more experience QB's that run the run and shoot, over-think the situation and make judgement errors.

[NickSMU17]

You are correct, all but Moniz was a senior. Moniz is a Jr.

That was Robinson's first year in the run and shot under June Jones. A freshman as far as experience goes.

Rolovich was a JC transfer with a couple of games under his belt before starting his senior year. A Soph as far as experience goes.

Chang was a six year senior I believe, seems like the guy was there forever.

In my opinion, the longer a QB stays in the run and shoot, the worse they perform. Brennan had a monster year his Jr. year and declined his Sr. year. Chang was on decline since his Soph season. Can't judge Rolo and Robinson on this because they only started one year. I think it has something to do with thinking to much on the field. The young inexperience QB's pretty much just react to a situation, while the more experience QB's that run the run and shoot, over-think the situation and make judgement errors.

This is my constant thought with Kyle....He just needs to play...