ED talks about Pony Excess

[HB Pony Dad]

THE PONY EXCESS: In the ESPN documentary series, 30 for 30, they did one episode that focused on the Southern Methodist University football team, which got the NCAA death penalty. One player who was featured in the story was former running back Eric Dickerson, who was supportive of the show.

“I thought it was a very good final product. I always wanted someone to tell that story because I really believe we got the short end of the stick. The NCAA took advantage of my university,” Dickerson said. “But I'll say this much here, we're not clean like everybody else is not clean right now. I look at Auburn and they talk about Cam Newton. Any player that's a high profile college player has taken something. That's just the facts. It is what it is.”

http://www.mydesert.com/article/2011012 ... day-Jan-23

[MrMustang1965]

THE PONY EXCESS: In the ESPN documentary series, 30 for 30, they did one episode that focused on the Southern Methodist University football team, which got the NCAA death penalty. One player who was featured in the story was former running back Eric Dickerson, who was supportive of the show.

“I thought it was a very good final product. I always wanted someone to tell that story because I really believe we got the short end of the stick. The NCAA took advantage of my university,” Dickerson said. “But I'll say this much here, we're not clean like everybody else is not clean right now. I look at Auburn and they talk about Cam Newton. Any player that's a high profile college player has taken something. That's just the facts. It is what it is.”

http://www.mydesert.com/article/2011012 ... day-Jan-23

"We're not clean like everybody else is not clean right now." Huh? WTH?

[ponyte]

Probably had to be there to get the flavor of his comment.

[Alaric]

"We're not clean like everybody else is not clean right now." Huh? WTH

= we were dirty then just like everyone is dirty now

[RGV Pony]

"We're not clean like everybody else is not clean right now." Huh? WTH

= we were dirty then just like everyone is dirty now

I'm sure that was his intended meaning

[mustangbill67]

agreed, should have been "we were" instead of "we are".

[Treadway21]

“I thought it was a very good final product. I always wanted someone to tell that story because I really believe we got the short end of the stick. The NCAA took advantage of my university,” Dickerson said.

Not according to Stallion.

[Stallion]

Open and Shut case. Could not find an easier case in the history of College Football of Lack of Institutional Control. I deal with legal standards every day and the required evidence necessary to prove the legal elements of a statute. You can argue "taint fair" all you want but there is no rational argument that SMU didn't deserve the Death Penalty under the NCAA Rules as written. I see a bunch of posters claiming "taint fair"-I don't see anyone denying that there was overwhelming evidence that SMU lacked Institutional Control. The "tain't fair argument" is for those that lost on the facts and issues in controversy.

[couch 'em]

Open and Shut case. Could not find an easier case in the history of College Football of Lack of Institutional Control. I deal with legal standards every day and the required evidence necessary to prove the legal elements of a statute. You can argue "taint fair" all you want but there is no rational argument that SMU didn't deserve the Death Penalty under the NCAA Rules as written. I see a bunch of posters claiming "taint fair"-I don't see anyone denying that there was overwhelming evidence that SMU lacked Institutional Control. The "tain't fair argument" is for those that lost on the facts and issues in controversy.

Nobody can or would argue that SMU did not meet the requirements to receive the death penalty. That has never been the issue.

It's illegal to drive 1 mph over the speed limit, but everyone drives 1- 5 mph over the limit all the time, everywhere. If the cops pull you over every day for doing 1 over, nobody will aruge that you weren't breaking the law, but everyone will argue it isn't fair or just to do so when it is common practice to do 1-4 over.

[Stallion]

No that is the precise issue the NCAA was required to resolve. What you guys bring up is the irrelevant part. The transgressions of other schools like the illegal conduct of other criminals in a criminal case are generally irrelevant and immaterial. Sorry-SMU and all NCAA schools agreed to abide by NCAA rules. If SMU didn't like it they didn't have to be a part of the NCAA.

[EastStang]

ED has never been the most clear speaking fellow in the world. Remember his MNF sideline job?

[jtstang]

Open and Shut case. Could not find an easier case in the history of College Football of Lack of Institutional Control. I deal with legal standards every day and the required evidence necessary to prove the legal elements of a statute. You can argue "taint fair" all you want but there is no rational argument that SMU didn't deserve the Death Penalty under the NCAA Rules as written. I see a bunch of posters claiming "taint fair"-I don't see anyone denying that there was overwhelming evidence that SMU lacked Institutional Control. The "tain't fair argument" is for those that lost on the facts and issues in controversy.

Nobody can or would argue that SMU did not meet the requirements to receive the death penalty. That has never been the issue.

It's illegal to drive 1 mph over the speed limit, but everyone drives 1- 5 mph over the limit all the time, everywhere. If the cops pull you over every day for doing 1 over, nobody will aruge that you weren't breaking the law, but everyone will argue it isn't fair or just to do so when it is common practice to do 1-4 over.

Yawn. I other words, "tain't fair"....

[PK]

I believe it is what's called selective enforcement. A bright red sports car has a better chance of being pulled over than a white minivan...unless the van is full of ________ (insert your favorite minority) that is.

[abezontar]

I believe it is what's called selective enforcement. A bright red sports car has a better chance of being pulled over than a white minivan...unless the van is full of ________ (insert your favorite minority) that is.

Hawaiians?

[Treadway21]

I believe it is what's called selective enforcement. A bright red sports car has a better chance of being pulled over than a white minivan

Or if the driver of the white minivan car is bribing the police.

Whose opinion on this issue do I value more, Stallion or ED, who lived it - I think I'll go with ED.