SMU Faculty Club Gets a Big 'F'

[Insane_Pony_Posse]

The other day he was on the Rivals board complaining that our poor
Football players are subject to academic probation if they make below a 2.0 GPA in
any semester. I quickly proved that this is substantially identical to the policies of
TCU, UT and Tech and probably every team we play....

But aren't you comparing "apples to oranges" because don't those schools have
"Basket-weaving 101" type curriculum available to the marginal student athletes?

So sure they all have "probation below 2.0 GPA", but doesn't the player at Tech or UT
have a much better chance of staying above 2.0 GPA taking "Beginners basket-weaving"?

[Stallion]

No I'm comparing apples to apples(ie academic probation and suspension policies at different schools). You are comparing apples to oranges(ie academic probation and suspension policies to curiculum). But I've never been critical of SMU looking into changes in the curiculum. And for the record UT and Texas Tech have probably lost just as many if not more top recruits to academic suspension as SMU over say the last 5 years.

[stc9]

Hansen offered some great insight during "Pony Excess" - especially about how SMU bungled its interview with Ch. 8. I wouldn't mind listening to him talk about those days and tell some of the behind-the-scenes stories.

He didn't "make his career" because of the SMU scandal. He was already the No. 1 sportscaster in town, which is why David Stanley ran to him when he wanted to get revenge on SMU. The SMU story is merely the one journalistic highpoint of Hansen's career, which is really built on his oversized personality and opinions.

Stanley dumped the story in Ch. 8's lap. Producer John Sparks did the real legwork - Hansen was just the face for the story. If they hadn't uncovered it, someone else would have - David Stanley was out to get SMU.

The story linked here says it was a former Daily Campus member who tipped off Sparks about players receiving money under the table. It wasn't exactly the world's biggest secret that SMU was still paying players, but only one player talked to the media: David Stanley.

You want to be mad at someone, be mad at the whistle blower, not the guy who merely held the microphone.

A large portion of my comment is, "why are we trying to revel in the misery after 20+ years?" Did we not learn our lesson and every possible other lesson from our NCAA Punishment and self inflicted punishments? Why must we bring our single largest antagonist from that time period in? We are not the same program, nor playing in the same conference. Our time for self flagellation is done! The Faculty Club should have brought a speaker in to educate the faculty on how a good football program can bring prestige to their academic departments. A speaker to show them how to move their programs forward using the positive press from the current team. Instead they want to look back and relive the lessons that they have already been taught. That is not forward thinking, that is masochistic and lazy.

[Longtime]

On that point, I won't argue. Other than the trip down memory lane called "Pony Excess" I'm sick of "Back from the Dead" and other stupid references to things that happened 25 years ago.

It's bad enough that non-SMU people love to bring up the death penalty every time they can, we don't need to keep referencing the darkest period in our school's history as some sort of badge of honor. Every time the football team does something good, we don't need to remind every one by holding up a "Life After Death" sign.

The death penalty was literally a generation ago, and we're finally seeing a crop of young people who have no clue about those dark days. Why can't we just celebrate the fact SMU football is good again without inviting a lot of jokes about how me must be cheating again, too?

Of course, SMU's darkest period was followed by the faculty's greatest period of fame and influence. It's no wonder they revel in talk about those days. You can't expect them to bring in a speaker to show how athletics benefits academics because, in most of their minds, no such speaker exists.

But I wouldn't read too much into Hansen's speech to the faculty club. Like it or not, Hansen is a celebrity and an entertaining speaker. With all the attention brought by "Pony Excess" it's no surprise he would be asked to speak about those days. Getting an influential person like Hansen on campus is a good thing. I doubt he's been back to SMU since that meeting with Hitch, Collins, and Parker. People who visit SMU, especially those who have preconceived notions about the Hilltop, generally come away impressed.

[MrMustang1965]

Getting an influential person like Hansen on campus is a good thing. I doubt he's been back to SMU since that meeting with Hitch, Collins, and Parker. People who visit SMU, especially those who have preconceived notions about the Hilltop, generally come away impressed.

The only thing that would impress DH about the Hilltop would be The Boulevard Experience because he'd be moving from one tailgate tent to another slamming back drinks and not offering to pay for them. He's a drunk and the worst sportscaster in the DFW market and his reputation is laughable.

[Mexmustang]

Stallion, with a few facts you are dangerous, with no facts you are nothing but a fool.
Why do keep repeating the same errors over and over--Rule one, you don't have all the facts, and quite often others are closer to the situation than you pretend to be; Rule two, quite trying to personalize every post that you disagree with.

The good news is that the powers that be have finally accepted the changes necessary to get SMU's atheltic admissions policies. This literally, just occured in the last few days. June is happy, we should be happy.

Stallion, be happy your "Model" has finally been implimented, it is just you that apparently thought it had been implimented three years ago.

[RednBlue11]

how many millions did stallion give to get "his" model to be used?

when's the press conference w/ Steve-O announcing that you get all the credit?

[SMU2007]

On that point, I won't argue. Other than the trip down memory lane called "Pony Excess" I'm sick of "Back from the Dead" and other stupid references to things that happened 25 years ago.

It's bad enough that non-SMU people love to bring up the death penalty every time they can, we don't need to keep referencing the darkest period in our school's history as some sort of badge of honor. Every time the football team does something good, we don't need to remind every one by holding up a "Life After Death" sign.

Yea! And let's make sure no one watches that stupid little documentary on ESPN either! I think we can sweep this thing under the rug in no time with a little effort from PonyFans.

[RednBlue11]

On that point, I won't argue. Other than the trip down memory lane called "Pony Excess" I'm sick of "Back from the Dead" and other stupid references to things that happened 25 years ago.

It's bad enough that non-SMU people love to bring up the death penalty every time they can, we don't need to keep referencing the darkest period in our school's history as some sort of badge of honor. Every time the football team does something good, we don't need to remind every one by holding up a "Life After Death" sign.

Yea! And let's make sure no one watches that stupid little documentary on ESPN either! I think we can sweep this thing under the rug in no time with a little effort from PonyFans.

own the heritage, it's all of ours. i for one am proud of how good we used to be, it was painful to see the fall but it has made this comeback that much sweeter...and guess what? lots other people see that too.

[Stallion]

Stallion, with a few facts you are dangerous, with no facts you are nothing but a fool.
Why do keep repeating the same errors over and over--Rule one, you don't have all the facts, and quite often others are closer to the situation than you pretend to be; Rule two, quite trying to personalize every post that you disagree with.

The good news is that the powers that be have finally accepted the changes necessary to get SMU's atheltic admissions policies. This literally, just occured in the last few days. June is happy, we should be happy.

Stallion, be happy your "Model" has finally been implimented, it is just you that apparently thought it had been implimented three years ago.

If you were ever able to articulate what the helll you are talking about then maybe we could have a rational discussion-you can't -and whenever you talk about admission of borderline recruits you prove you don't. You have made a molehill into a mountain. Congrats.
Why don't you explain to us what you have called "a competitive admissions and defined admissions process" means. I'll tell you right now if it means signing kids with 640 SATs that has never been part of my Model as you say.

[NickSMU17]

I think he is talking about the faculty interviews that go on with any kid in the lower 25% of SMU standards...amongst other hings I heard happen last year...

[Stallion]

Yeah that's what I thought he probably was really getting at based on what he vaguely states on another board. But guess what we haven't lost any recruits due to pre-signing date policies. That's my point-I have no problem streamlining the process-but some people have made a molehill into a mountain.

[NickSMU17]

We may not have lost any commits, but who knows how many guys we lost b/c of it....

it is defn an issue in the recruiting wars...

[ponyte]

We invite folks like Dale ever since the DP was handed down. That way, we can cleanse ourselves like crazed Iranians flailing away at their flesh with whips and chains during Ramadan.

[RednBlue11]

We invite folks like Dale ever since the DP was handed down. That way, we can cleanse ourselves like crazed Iranians flailing away at their flesh with whips and chains during Ramadan.

some Shi'a Muslims...not Iranians