64-89 Record in Five Years? The Beat Goes On!

by **2ndandlong** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 6:24 pm

Remember, the wallet isn't infinite. Buying out his contract will diminish what's available to pay someone else.

Pony up!

by **Monkeystang** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:28 pm

Totally agree

by **CalallenStang** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:33 pm

Where the heck was moodymadmen when we beat Memphis? Destroyed USM? Beat Tulsa?

by **PonyKai** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:03 pm

Yeah, so those of us bemoaning our 2011 finish and interested in a new head man, just out of curiosity, do you happen to know of the department's finances, how much is available for any buyout, which assistants would/wouldn't stay, the status of any war chest for a new head man, who might be interested in the job, and how much they would want to take it? Or perhaps which big money boosters support a new direction and are willing to back that pledge financially?

In the grand scheme of things, who gives a damn if Doherty gets another year. The basketball program isn't going to implode or get us in to the Big East next year whether we go 12-20 or 20-12. He's got recruits, good assistant coaches, a viable system for the conference we're in and the school we are, and we can probably schedule ourselves to 20 whether it's Doherty or Evans or some other re-tread eff-up who wants to make his home in CUSA. Stupid to can progress and momentum at SMU moving forward on the basis of comparisons to coaches, conferences, and decades gone by.

Oh, and if you thought Doherty should have been fired years before the publicly stated and agreed upon measure of time it would take to turn the program around, right after canning a black coach at a white-washed school for BS minor infractions, save everybody else time and go sit in the corner quietly.

by **NickSMU17** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:10 pm

Just curious as to how you think the black community will take not firing a white head coach who got 5 years, more money, more losses, and now major infractions...

Just opening up the debate

by **PonyKai** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:15 pm

That's a pretty good point to discuss. I would hope people look at it from the question of was he given a fair shake? Tubbs obviously wasn't, whether he should have ever been head man here or not. Plain and simple. Now, Doherty has had the full amount of time that he and the athletic director publicly agreed it would take to "turn the program around." Five years, and he's gotten full support of the department for the entirety of that time period. The position has been rehabbed, and SMU would be well within the bounds of reason to go a different direction. 64-89 says it all on paper.

At this point, in my opinion it's just stupid to can what amounts to progress and a certain amount of momentum for the sake of it. Now, will the DISD community or high school coaches look at it in the light you state? I hope not, but hey, you never know. I want to say Copeland never really was the driving force behind Tubbs' ouster, Orsini was on in his way in at that point, so all of this has happened under his tenure.

I'm willing to amend my position if we could guarantee a quality hire that will generate some buzz and someone who won't come in and blow it all up, scrap the system outlook and start from scratch, that we won't break the bank on. Doherty's a good poster boy for the program, so if he can win enough games, he's a pretty good head man for SMU. I wouldn't want to can him now to bring in some CUSA caliber re-tread with glaring defects.

by **mrydel** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:23 pm

NickSMU17 wrote:Just curious as to how you think the black community will take not firing a white head coach who got 5 years, more money, more losses, and now major infractions...

Just opening up the debate

Do not open the debate on false premise. They are secondary (minor) infractions and the NCAA has accepted our self imposed penalties.

by **NickSMU17** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:23 pm

Just want to make sure that both sides are looked at...not to mention we fired the black assistant coach that participated in the violations and we hired 2 white assistants.

Basically I am tired of Hearing the argument that doh was kept to show people we weren't the old Smu when all this coach has done is step backwards in the last year.

Let's just call it how it is, this has nothing to do with A.D deficits or doh's. Record...it has everything to do with the fact the the biggest bball boosters didn't like tubbs but love doh...and that's fine with me, but stop blowing all this other Shti up our [deleted]'s.

by **NickSMU17** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:25 pm

mrydel wrote:
NickSMU17 wrote:Just curious as to how you think the black community will take not firing a white head coach who got 5 years, more money, more losses, and now major infractions...

Just opening up the debate

Do not open the debate on false premise. They are secondary (minor) infractions and the NCAA has accepted our self imposed penalties.

My email states that due to the amount sent the qualify as a major violation. Maybe I read it wrong

by **NickSMU17** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:27 pm

After reporting the violations to the NCAA, SMU hired an outside firm to conduct an investigation. It found that 16 impermissible messages had been sent to parents of recruits over a three-month period, based on available phone records. Because the text messaging occurred over two years (2007-2009), the NCAA and SMU estimated the total number of impermissible text messages to be not more than 100. All were limited to the menâ€™s basketball program; no other SMU programs were involved. Although each text message would constitute only a secondary violation, the total number and duration of the texting elevated the violations to major.

by **PonyKai** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:27 pm

Seriously, how many quality coaching candidates would actually look at SMU when we went through 3 coaches in four years? Or four coaches in six years? What quality coaching candidate would really look at SMU if we sh*t canned Doherty after three or even four years. This ain't Kansas.

by **NickSMU17** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:32 pm

I agree with you, it would have been a money play...if certain boosters wanted it done, it would have been done.

Doh knows who feeds the family and they obviously like him very much.

I really have no problem keeping doh, and I think better days lay ahead. I am just tired of being below average and hearing about this scenario and that scenario.

by **mrydel** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:35 pm

NickSMU17 wrote:
mrydel wrote:
NickSMU17 wrote:Just curious as to how you think the black community will take not firing a white head coach who got 5 years, more money, more losses, and now major infractions...

Just opening up the debate

Do not open the debate on false premise. They are secondary (minor) infractions and the NCAA has accepted our self imposed penalties.

My email states that due to the amount sent the qualify as a major violation. Maybe I read it wrong

Do not know how I missed that last sentence. I blame it on my medication. My apologies sir.

by **PonyKai** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:36 pm

I know I'm beating a dead horse, and I agree with you as well, so I'm writing this for my own therapy I guess. But up until this year, any coaching candidate would have seen:

Dement: We fire our most successful basketball coach (Wins wise) in how long? Ever? Was Doc Hayes better? Sorry my history is a little off.

Tubbs: Given two years and fired for secondary, mystery infractions never really disclosed.

Doherty: Fired before the publicly agreed upon period of time it would take to turn the program around.

Two of those (would have)happened under Orsini. Fourth coach in six/seven years. If I'm any kind of quality candidate, why on Earth would I take a job under him at SMU. The previous is moot now, so we can carry on [deleted] about other reasons.

by **2ndandlong** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:46 pm

Amen brutha