What QB should start vs. TCU?

by **FloridaMustang** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:43 pm

ponyte wrote:I sit here with mouth wide open and gasping for air. I do not believe what I am reading here. We have had nothing but QB problems for years. All of a sudden we have two QBs that DIDNâ€™T make MISTASKES and DID move the ball. For once we have a luxury at that position of two (and possibly three) capable QBs. There is not a QB decision to make. Does one bench Phillips because he didn't make a mistake (think back as far as last year and how QB mistakes killed us)? Do we start a new QB because he moved the ball well against Tech's second team?

Kids will have a huge (and justified) attitude that mistakes are guaranteed benching. We need kids to have faith that mistakes can and will happen and that playing will not be ceased due to mistakes. We play Phillips. It is time to have faith in the QB position and allow players to develop there. Jerking QBs around at this point would be inviting offensive disaster.

I don't think its a confidence issue at this point. You play whoever gives you the greatest chance of victory. If playing both Phillips and Eckert gives us the best chance, play em both. Phillips can run, Eckert SEEMS to be able to throw.. I guess we'll find out soon enough. If Eckert does prove himself, I say throw em both in there. For once, we might have ENOUGH talent at the position to actually add another dimension to our offense.

Anyone see the Tennessee game? One QB is a scrambler, the other a drop back passer... they're going to give the SEC a run for its money.

by **PlanoStang** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:57 pm

PerunaPunch wrote:Not true. We have some decent-sized receivers. In fact, you might be able to make a good case that one reason Eckert was so successful is that he threw repeatedly (I think 5 attempts) at Pellerin (6'3), and his big gainer went to Lowery who is 5'11.

Phillips likes throwing to Rushbrook who is listed at 5'10 (and didn't make any grabs), and Blake Warren who had several nice grabs but is only 5'7.

Blake Warren reminded me of LeVias the first time I saw him play in the
scrimmage a week before we played the TT guys in Lubbock last year.

I think we've kinda got situational QBs here. If a team is strong
defending the run, and we're getting stuffed for no gains, then Eckert
needs to play. Phillips may have a strong arm, but he lacks touch, and
accuracy. Oh yeah, he tends to panic, and run with the ball, but that may
not be bad, see Staubach.

On the other hand, if a team has strong defensive backs, and is known
for picking off passes, then Eckert may be susceptible to bad decisions,
and interceptions at bad field position. Phillips plays.

The original plan was to redshirt Phillips, and save him for the teams that
would contend for a bowl game, or better in a couple of years or so.
Eckert, and Romo may allow us to do that.

by **sorrysummer1** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 9:17 pm

If we want to win go with Eckert but if we decide to get 2 to yard gains the whole game and be satisfied so with Phillips because those are the numbers he is producing. Eckert one drive all the way down the field for a touchdown and Phillips thats right ZERO touchdowns. This is a no brainer TONY ECKERT to WIN and PHILLIPS to be EMBARRASED!

by **sorrysummer1** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 9:18 pm

If we want to win go with Eckert but if we decide to get 2 to yard gains the whole game and be satisfied so with Phillips because those are the numbers he is producing. Eckert one drive all the way down the field for a touchdown and Phillips thats right ZERO touchdowns. This is a no brainer TONY ECKERT to WIN and PHILLIPS to be EMBARRASED!

by **Mustangs35SMU** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 9:21 pm

I really hope you arent serious

by PK » Mon Sep 06, 2004 9:54 pm

This person has to be an Eckert relative...why else would they make such an outlandish posts. Eckert is a good QB, but he has his own set of short comings. I think I'm going to leave it up to the coaches to decide who plays and who doesn't...they aren't related to either one of them.

by **feelan** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 11:05 pm

I am glad to see everyone is an expert and that Eckert is so much better and is the only way we will win after one drive after the game was already decided. I trust the coaches to put the players on the field that will give us the best chance. After all they are the ones that watched them all spring/summer and have the best feel for it. I will support whoever is in there, it doesn't matter to me, nor do I claim to know which one will help us win, that's why I am not the coach. We are all entitled to our opinions, so i guess we 'agree to disagree' as Coach puts it.

by **sorrysummer1** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 11:43 pm

I am not an Eckert relative I am a fan who likes to see my team win or/and do well just because someone has a better 40 time doesnt mean he is a better qb. I really dont see any my remarks being outlandish. I see my remarks being the truth honestly what has Phillips done but lose ummmmmmmm let me think that right NOTHING. QB's are meant to pass and not run, I mean dont get me wrong there are a few exceptions like Vick but with Phillips there is not one drop of Vick blood there. On Phillips best day he couldnt do what Eckert does with his arm but maybe he can fool the other team and run for like 2 first downs but thats it.

by **SWC2010** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 11:46 pm

sorrysummer1 wrote:If we want to win go with Eckert but if we decide to get 2 to yard gains the whole game and be satisfied so with Phillips because those are the numbers he is producing. Eckert one drive all the way down the field for a touchdown and Phillips thats right ZERO touchdowns. This is a no brainer TONY ECKERT to WIN and PHILLIPS to be EMBARRASED!

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Anyone who watched 'Spring' & '2-a-days' know all THREE of our QB's bring something unique to the offensive equation. ALL 3 need to sharpen their read progressions & we'll be fine against FW Tech...

by **stang_fan** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 11:56 pm

I would like to reply to the many who asked if I was kidding and if these issues were even up to discussion. I have come to this thread at the end of the day and found that these issues were very much up for discussion. I did, however, throw the Munlin thing in to get people fired up. I know he will be the starter and should be the starter. I can't wait to see him pick the froggie defense apart. There is a question mark at QB, but I don't think there is a right answer to that question. I think all three QB's are capable of beating TCU. Personally, I'd like to see Chris finish the job from last year. I don't want him on a short leash. I want him to play the whole game and win it!

by **Vitale** » Tue Sep 07, 2004 12:34 am

Phillips should start. He and Eckert both have faults, but more than any QBs we've had in years, they both clearly have a good deal of ability, too. And for all I know, Romo does too. Before anyone gets too worked up here, can we agree that this is a marvelous problem to have? Sure beats the hell out of finding just one guy who can play.

by **FloridaMustang** » Tue Sep 07, 2004 12:48 am

Vitale wrote:Phillips should start. He and Eckert both have faults, but more than any QBs we've had in years, they both clearly have a good deal of ability, too. And for all I know, Romo does too. Before anyone gets too worked up here, can we agree that this is a marvelous problem to have? Sure beats the hell out of finding just one guy who can play.

You're absolutely right on. Even though this stable of QB's probably won't take us bowling anytime soon, these guys are an improvement. If only Stallion would join the recruiting staff... maybe we could get some more talent in that reciever corps

by **The PonyGrad** » Tue Sep 07, 2004 9:28 am

Upon further review, this is where I think we are. Phillips was very good at the start of the game and quite good at the start of the second half. I asked the question "what happened to him after that?" Bennett may have partially answered that after the game... "he was running for his life." Phillips got tired and that leads to lower performance. Perhaps that changes during the season. In the meantime it makes sense to put in another QB, Eckert or Romo depending on the game situation, to give such a running QB a rest. If that is done then I think we will see Phillips performing much better throughout the game.

by **SMUguy** » Tue Sep 07, 2004 9:40 am

True - if Phillips is gassed, then another guy should go in. I hate the idea of rotating, and want to see one guy make it through the whole game, but if we have these other two, doesn't it make sense to keep someone fresh in there? As hard (and well) as Phillips played last year against the froggies, I'd love to see him in there to get the win.

Then again, you could stick Kenard Burley at QB and stick Ryan Mentzel at defensive tackle for all I care -- as long as the Ponies win.

by **Techsan-81** » Tue Sep 07, 2004 10:52 am

FWIW, I think you should really give Eckert a long look. I think with him managing a very efficient, high-percentage passing game, and with Munlin pounding the ball, you guys could have a very solid offense.

Phillips is very athletic and makes some plays, but from what I saw Saturday, I don't think he can be consistent enough completing passes to keep defenses from just loading up 9 guys in the box and daring you to beat them over the top.

Eckert was not playing against 2nd teamers on defense for the most part, as I recall.

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