OSU vs. Auburn

[Pony!Poni!Pone'!]

Here's the PAC 10 statement on lack of institutional control in a pdf-pretty much as I characterized it. Not every violation by a player/recruit can be pinned on a school

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cac ... hm4MPAIf_w

Good thing they ran it by you.

[Stallion]

by the way the NCAA does define recruitable athletes as something like any high school player who has started the 9th grade. That's why the Mustang Club always states that high schoolers can not attend the NCAA signing date announcement. Its a very broad definition that includes both the studs and the duds

[RednBlue11]

it is their responsibility to know whether they are recruiting and eligible athlete...if they fail to find out then they are still culpable...it's the not-knowing-the-speed-limit argument, ignorance is not an excuse.

see what happened to Memphis basketball under Calipari.

it didn't matter if JC knew, rose faked his SAT he was never eligible to play.

What does recruiting an eligible athlete mean???? Some summer camps have as many as 250 kids attending a single camp with some institutions running 4 or 5 more camps. Is the institution responsible for all 250 kids at all camps when the coaching staff will look generally look at all 250 then later focus on 15. Kids attend the camps to be coached on skills and techniques first and then hopefully make them selves known to to the staff. At what point is the instutution "recruiting" an athlete in order to meet your criteria????

hey smart [deleted] if a kid get's paid in HS according to the NCAA he's not an armature...aka ineligible

[RednBlue11]

Here's the PAC 10 statement on lack of institutional control in a pdf-pretty much as I characterized it. Not every violation by a player/recruit can be pinned on a school

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cac ... hm4MPAIf_w

Good thing they ran it by you.

particularly useful for discussing the SEC

[stc9]

A couple of things stood out last night:

1) The NCAA has only 44 enforcement people for 1,000 + member institutions. Now reduce that number even lower because some of those 44 are admin types. Division III members probably break as many rules as Division I Members (for much smaller $$$s). These need to be investigated. If a school doesn't self report - then the odds of getting caught are fairly low. If the local media doesn't look into it as well, then there is no danger of getting caught. Pony Excess made the point that we got caught in a newspaper war. It was embarrassing to the NCAA, so they sent a bunch of investigators.

2) USC investigated a player a couple of years ago for driving his girlfriend's car. Nobody at Auburn noticed that a star defensive end is now driving around in a pimped out Impala? It was not a subtle car.

3) No player ever interviewed in these things ever mentions the coach's or booster's name that handed them the envelope. "You have mail in my office. Come get it after practice." Who was the coach? Why didn't HBO try to get him on camera and give the coach a chance to say, "The coach declined to comment." It seems that these guys are whistle blowers only on the Univeristy, not the individuals who did it. After 4 years of someone paying me $300 per week, I would have figured out the guy's name. Are the whistle blowers keeping the door open for the next kid to come through?

[Topper]

When we went on probation in the early 80s it was for petty stuff like an assistant coach playing racquetball with a recruit (illegal workout) and a player being given a polaroid (young people dont ask) photo of himself on campus (illegal inducement). I have lived in Austin for several years, and everyone here knows that the players are well cared for by all of the local business people. It is good business to have them hanging out in your place and taking your picture with them etc. Never do I hear a voice raised about this sort of behavior by anyone. Reason? It is so pervasive that no one thinks anything of it. Particularly the NCAA. Unless you are a small school that doesnt draw a big tv audience and happens to be out-recruiting UT.

[Stallion]

At the same time-we had SMU recruits now stating that SMU had its own W.O. Bankston dealershop on campus. Please open your eyes. Deal with the truth.

[ponyte]

Please provide us with your documentation supporting the players claim that there was a car dealership on campus. If not, then please deal in facts and not hearsay.

[mrydel]

Please provide us with your documentation supporting the players claim that there was a car dealership on campus. If not, then please deal in facts and not hearsay.

Pretty bold talk from a player who was given a car by a former player/booster.

[ponyte]

Please provide us with your documentation supporting the players claim that there was a car dealership on campus. If not, then please deal in facts and not hearsay.

Pretty bold talk from a player who was given a car by a former player/booster.

You're cheating me again. Don't forget the trips, credit cards, summer lodging, meals, gifts, cash and clothes. Unfortunately, there are no receipts or paper trails for me to show documentation. So you just have to take my word for it.

[mrydel]

We need to get you on a ESPN Special report show.

[EastStang]

Let's talk about facts. The standard is knew or wilfully ignored facts which with reasonable investigation would have led to a reportable violation. Now a recruit going to a barbecue at a neighbors house and the neighbor happens to be an OSU grad would probably not be something that the University would know about. However, a recruit who you found to be of lower economic strata driving onto campus in a new car, wearing bling, having expensive ink work done on them, or wearing expensive clothing. Any coach with half a brain ought to be able to connect those dots and report it to the AD so that the AD can have a chat with the student-athlete. Now if you had a situation where the kid came from a better off background, it would be more obvious.

[stc9]

Let's talk about facts. The standard is knew or wilfully ignored facts which with reasonable investigation would have led to a reportable violation. Now a recruit going to a barbecue at a neighbors house and the neighbor happens to be an OSU grad would probably not be something that the University would know about. However, a recruit who you found to be of lower economic strata driving onto campus in a new car, wearing bling, having expensive ink work done on them, or wearing expensive clothing. Any coach with half a brain ought to be able to connect those dots and report it to the AD so that the AD can have a chat with the student-athlete. Now if you had a situation where the kid came from a better off background, it would be more obvious.

It is also helpful when a local lawyer e-mails the coach to tell him.

[Topper]

At the same time-we had SMU recruits now stating that SMU had its own W.O. Bankston dealershop on campus. Please open your eyes. Deal with the truth.

The truth is that UT boosters have cheated for years by doing things much more serious than things we were cited for and anyone who lives near the campus who has eyes can see it. It is also the truth that some people on this board cannot stand to hear the truth and when they do, they accuse everyone else of being blind to what went on at SMU in the 70s and 80s. I was at SMU during that time period and I know exactly what went on. I had friends who played at other Division 1 schools and they all told me that SMU was doing what it had to do to keep up. Some schools don't get investigated because they are rich and powerful. That is the truth.

[Stallion]

Not one SMU player who appeared in Pony Excess made a single credible allegation against the University of Texas concerning the recruitment of athletes. If not true-please list:
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The omission was startling to me. SMU's own player admitted on Pony Excess that SMU's athlete parking lot looked like a W.O. Banston parking lot and confirmed that it was common practice at SMU. Yes there are [deleted] boosters at every school that are such losers that they get their rocks off by getting inside an athletes 'jock strap. Two different things. SMU was offering illegal inducements to sign with SMU. I can tell you the names, dates an athletes involved in illegal recruiting scandals at every school in the southwest-but there are vitually no serious allegations of significant illegal recruiting inducements to get a recruit to sign at UT in the last 40 years. A few Cowboy Boots here and few free clothers here-nothing major. All the babbling, incoherent paranoia won't change the fact that UT has a relatively clean record with the NCAA and very few incriminating allegations have ever been uncovered. You may not like it but that is a fair, balanced analysis of the facts over the last 40 years. If I'm wrong please list details here:--------------------------------------.