OSU vs. Auburn

[Topper]

Stallion misses the point as usual. The entire issue as far as I am concerned is that the NCAA park's its butt on the SMU campus during the 80s while failing to conduct a serious investigation at UT. They have no interest in bringing down UT. Jerry Tarkanian said it best: A kid at Kentucky takes a payoff for playing basketball and the NCAA puts immediately responds by putting Cleveland State on probation. Get real Stallion. Your tired distortions of what other people have to say about the ridiculousness of the NCAA and your obsessive adoration of all things burnt orange is a little odd to say the least.

[Pony!Poni!Pone'!]

Stallion, found a new avatar for ya

[EastStang]

I'm from the where there's smoke, there's fire school. Of course I don't have a shred of direct evidence that UT was cheating. The NCAA is not bound by Federal probable cause rules to launch an investigation. They don't even need a reasonable suspicion. They can audit a school's compliance on a whim if they want to. UT has out recruited teams in Texas for 50 years even when other schools were cheating big time. Now is that because they are just so great that every player wants to go there? Or is it because they cheat? I don't know. However given that the UT President has seemed to consistently be on the Infractions Committee, is that a coincidence? Now, the NCAA has gone a step further, they have password protected their infractions data base and permit only member institution official email address logins, so that guys like us can't search the database unless we happen to have a member institution .edu address. We deserved the death penalty and in my view so do Ohio State and Auburn. I believe both are currently on probation for other major infractions. Whether its lack of institutional control, improper inducements, pay for play, amateurism violations, any other major infraction (and yes, those are also infractions of the NCAA rules), then they are death penalty eligible, and perhaps the NCAA might show its serious about cleaning things up if one of those schools got hammered. I'd personally like to see the Horseshoe with cobwebs. And see Auburn fans screaming War Eagle at its 10th intrasquad scrimmage of the fall. Until that happens, the NCAA will continue to remain a joke.

[Topper]

Eastang: I completely associate myself with your remarks. The problem is not that SMU should not have been punished back in the 80s, the problem is that we will never know how much UT boosters cheat, and they do, because the NCAA has very a limited enforcement budget and they have to be selective in their investigations. Unfortunately for us, and the Houston Baptist gymnastics team of the 80s, we were the targets.

I saw John Feinstein on Charlie Rose yesterday. He was talking about NCAA sports, and concluded that CHEATING PAYS because the odds that the NCAA will actually investigate a program in a meaningful way are slim to none. And from where I stand, it appears that the richer and more well connected a school is to the power structure, the more successful they are and the fewer penalties they recieve. Anyone remember Tim Brown, the great Notre Dame receiver who grew up in abject poverty in Dallas crashed a sports car that any supposedly rich and spoiled SMU fraternity boy would have killed to own a few days before ND was in the Cotton Bowl? Nary an eyebrow was raised about how he paid for it. Nor was the NCAA going to uncover the fire beneath the smoke at ND. Just so you wont think I only pick on Texas.

[Stallion]

Obviously, you guys failed the challenge of producing evidence of a single episode of illegal recruiting inducements at UT. You guys jump back and forth on your arguments. I thought the consensus was the nedia uncovers the cheating and the NCAA just picks up the pieces. Your theory is that the media has uncovered multiple recruiting inducements scandals at:

TCU
SMU
UH
A&M
OU
Texas Tech
Baylor
Arkansas
LSU

But really no real serious recruiting inducement scandals at UT in the last 40 years whether uncovered by the media or the NCAA. The media seems to have no problem publishing every episode of a UT player getting in legal problems. Your theory is that all those National Blue Chips interviewed in Pony Excess and in the Dupre story as well thought SMU was getting a raw deal but not one pointed out that Texas offered illegal recruiting inducements at the time too and give details. Dupre and Dickerson were recruited by UT-they hate UT-if UT was cheating it would get the writer big national headlines to squeal on UT. That's paranoid babbling to identify UT was a renegrade program without evidence. Here's the deal-UT runs a relatively clean program with among the highest academic profile for recruits in Texas (no JUCOs, few marginal academic risks, almost no non-qualifiers) and especially will not get involved with the current scenario of street agents-and not one of you can find a shred of evidence that says otherwise.

[Pony!Poni!Pone'!]

Yeah. Texas Fight, yall

[EastStang]

And when those UT athletes get hauled into Court, don't see many public defenders representing them. NTTAWWT. As I said, smoke and fire. But the NCAA has bigger fish to fry right now. OSU, Auburn, probably Oregon, Tennessee (hoops) to name a few. FYI, Tennessee (the other UT) is on probation for some of the Fulmer era stuff, so their hoops program is death penalty eligible. But they'll skate because they threw Pearl under the bus.

[stc9]

Why does everybody think that the NCAA will ever use the DP again? The NCAA is incompetent, not stupid. They saw what it did to us. They had Alabama dead to rights a decade or so ago and refused to pull the trigger.

Stallion makes a good point about UT (Dammit!). However, assuming the other things written on this board about UT are true, wouldn't recruits know that they won't get up front payments and would be taken care of during their time there. Especially Texas recruits who might know players there anyway? I also refuse to believe that they were the only SWC school not cheating during the 1980s. The laws of probability are heavily against it.

The only way the NCAA will use the DP again is if they feel threatened - really threatened. If Congress were coming after them, like they did baseball, then it would be a possibility. Tenn. Basketball will be the big test. Not only did they get caught cheating, but their coach lied to the NCAA. SEC Basketball will/could survive without Tennessee. Football would be a different story.

[Topper]

Ask Eric Dickerson about UT. Eric in 1987 describing a statement made to him by a UT recruiter:

"If you go to school in Oklahoma, I'll make sure you never get a job in the state of Texas in your life, if you come back to Texas. If you come to the University of Texas, you name five of anything, and I promise you, you'll have them by tomorrow. Anything. Just five of anything."

He went on later to describe how the NCAA refused to look into any allegations about UT. I believe Eric Dickerson before I believe the fantasies of the UT syconphants who infiltrate these boards.