Miami booster has detailed ALL to the NCAA- Wow!

[RednBlue11]

So many ironies in this story, not the least that the recent enforcement of NCAA penalties v. USC were brought through the then AD at the U (per committee, of course).

that particular fact has the potential to make this situation extra messy

[ponyscott]

Shocked!......Heres the NCAA after investigating the U:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjbPi00k_ME

[birddogger]

Stallion pondered:

"This could be interesting precedent to whether SMU did in fact define the Death Penalty to require that cheating be condoned at upper administrative levels(AD, President, Board)."

The NCAA has imposed the DP five times:

1.University of Kentucky BB program for the 1952–53 season.
2.University of Southwestern Louisiana (now the University of Louisiana at Lafayette) BB program for the 1973–74 and 1974–75 seasons
3.SMU football
4.The Division II college soccer program at Morehouse College for the 2004 and 2005 seasons.
5.The Division III Men's Tennis program at MacMurray College for the 2005–06 and 2006–07 seasons.

Are you aware whether in the more recent cases those bad actors at Morehouse and MacMurray included the administration, as was the case with our own Uncle Bill Clements? Or did the NCAA apply some other standard?

Is a DP-worthy violation like porn? You can't say what it is exactly, but you know it when you see it?

[Stallion]

I think the modern approach to the Death Penalty analysis (as opposed to sanctions analysis) will always place the violation secondary to the school's response to the violation once the university(Board, AD, President, Compliance) discovers the violation.

[SMU89]

Mentioned on Dale Hanson tonight...

Said no big school will get DP like SMU

Then showed interviews of both Coach Jones and Steve Orsini.

[huskerpony]

Miami's last football probation was over 15 years ago in 1995-although it was placed on baseball probation in 2003

This qualifies under the repeat violators rule. The violations do not need to occur in the same sport, and the death penalty applies to the sport involved in the second major violation. Because these allegations occurred beginning in 2002, the violations would have occurred within a five year period of the baseball probation.

(It is also a multi-sport scandal, since it also involved basketball. Not sure if that automatically qualifies you as a repeat violator if it is encompassed in the same scandal, but the baseball probation definitely makes it qualify.)

[Stallion]

yeah well it says that-but its asinine and no one will ever get the penalized under that discretionary section without identity of the sport or identity of the violator/booster

[lwjr]

Trashy school in a trashy city. The two are made for each other

[RednBlue11]

Shocked!......Heres the NCAA after investigating the U:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjbPi00k_ME

haha! nailed it.

[leopold]

I don't know if it will fall under the Repeat Violators rule, but if the President knew anything about it, then that is what I would take to be the absolute definition of "Lack of Institutional Control."
If anything at all could have come out of the Death Penalty, it should have been the message to College Presidents that if you see or hear ANYTHING - ANYTHING AT ALL - then you need to stop what you are doing, announce an investigation, find out what happened, and handle the situation accordingly. If you don't, you are now complicit, and you have effectively lost control. The players can walk away or be kicked off the team, the coach and the A.D. can be fired, but the buck stops with the president, and if Donna Shalala knew anything about it, and they have any proof whatsoever, Miami could be in real trouble.

[Stallion]

EXactly and that's what must be proven not assumed. It really is the best way to clean up a dirty program and especially a dirty Coach because it puts responsibility on the school to comply with NCAA rules, investigate compliance or else face tough penalties. Notice how many Coaches are being thrown under the Bus-its got to be in double digits in the last year-you don't think a Coach has to think twice now about being involved in cheating or failing to comply. I bet you take a poll of Coaches and they would tell you this is a particularly uneasy time to be a Coach. This is a Dark Age to be a Coach. They see their colleagues being run out of town at an alarming rate, and their Coaching careers permanently destroyed and know it could be them if they don't actively control their program.