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Certainly another way to look at it. “U”

Postby 35straight » Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:58 pm

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Postby The PonyGrad » Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:04 pm

:roll:
The argument that players should be paid is no excuse.
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Postby jtstang » Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:10 pm

I think the assertion that NCAA football is a de facto professional league is valid to some extent, albeit probably overstated as a generalization. Though if you believe everyone cheats by giving players perks of one sort or another, maybe not.

But to that end, ask yourself this question: Has any college player ever paid a dime of federal or state income tax for the allegedly improper benefits received? Of course the answer is no, but in these trying economic times I wonder how much the federal government has missed out on. I guess you could make the argument that if the giver has already paid taxes on that money, that would be double dipping, but still...
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Postby Stallion » Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:12 pm

it still would be a gift for Federal Gift Tax purposes
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Postby ponyscott » Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:44 pm

I don't know if it's common knowledge that the football players are paid $1,300 per month at SMU for their College living expenses. Most other D-1 schools like UCLA, UT, etc can only pay the kids $7-800 per month.
The live on campus expenses are so much higher at SMU than most campuses and they are paid as an average, per NCAA standards is what is assumed.
I confirmed this monthly amount with SMU staff and Ryan Smith was at our Kick Off table and he confirmed that's what they get...he said friends on scholarship at other schools are jealous when they find out how much he receives, and it DOES help in recruiting kids when you can expect that much $ as a freshman.
I don't know if that applies to all SMU athletes and am certain its for the school year only, but would love to know more details.
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Postby stc9 » Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:50 pm

I find it ironic that this Professor says the Athletes should be paid when the profits from Syracuse's hoops team is underwriting his salary. I wonder how principled he would remain if he had to take a pay cut, so a third string point guard could get paid?
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Postby AusTxPony » Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:56 pm

Total BS! I'm wondering how the prostitutes helped support the kids' mothers??? I would doubt any of these guys sold their tennis shoes, bling, or whatever to help out grandma. Give me a break! College sports was meant NOT to be about money (Amateur Athletics!) and yet College Football has become all about money (The Longhorn Network, etc.).
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Postby Junior » Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:46 pm

The argument that other people are profiting off student-athletes gets tiresome.

People argue that NCAA leaders make millions off the effort of the "unpaid" student athletes. In this case, "unpaid" includes tuition, room & board, meals and a monthly stipend.

Can someone please explain how this argument is different from the CEO or other executives of McDonald's making millions while the lowest ranked employees make minimum wage? This argument just doesn't hold water for me. The people at the top are always well-compensated. The people at the bottom are not.
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Postby HB Pony Dad » Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:03 pm

This pretty well explains the slavery analogy ...

Dr. Boyce Watkins is a Professor at Syracuse University and founder of the Your Black World Coalition.


Does anyone really believe that, even if the players received some additional "living expense" funding, the potential "stars" would still not be doing the same thing with the same "alums, boosters, agents, runners et al."?
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Postby 35straight » Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:21 pm

ponyscott wrote: DOES help in recruiting kids when you can expect that much $ as a freshman.
I don't know if that applies to all SMU athletes and am certain its for the school year only, but would love to know more details.



We were given a $1000.00 a month. When I was there. They base it off of living expenses in the area where the college resides. Most of the money goes towards rent, food, and other bills. You can imagine that a college football players eats a lot of food. Also, only the players living off campus get the stipend. If it is still the same, players must live on campus for the first two years. However, if you live in the on-campus apartments you will receive the stipend. SMU also took money out of our stipend if we wanted to use a meal card to eat on campus. Remember “No training table”.
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Postby mrydel » Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:42 pm

We had our own dining hall and got a whopping $10.00/month!! Of course that about the same time Manhatten was bought for trinkets and beads.
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Postby ponyte » Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:51 pm

Paying players argument is a straw man. This issue is fair competition. Is the competition fair when some schools compete within the rules and others compete outside the rules? The NCAA isn’t set up to define labor laws. That is up to state and federal government to decide. The NCAA sets up rules to ensure fair completion and safe competition between member schools.

Paying players is a separate issue that isn't germane to OSU or UM's case. What is germane is fair competition and whether giving athletes compensation beyond that which is deemed acceptable by the NCAA rules is a different issue.
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Postby jtstang » Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:57 pm

Stallion wrote:it still would be a gift for Federal Gift Tax purposes

Wonder if the IRS decided to prosecute a few tax evasion cases against former athletes that would create some incentive on the part of the athletes to steer away from improper payments. Wishful thinking at best I assume.
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