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Re: SMU -- The Clock is Ticking

Postby ojaipony » Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:51 pm

Totally agree with ericdickerson4life on this one. If Boise moved to, let's say, the SEC or TCU to, say, the Big 12 BEFORE they went undefeated, would we even be talking about them as a power? I don't know, but doubtful. They'd be a 7-5, 8-4 type team. Maybe they still would have had great success but they would NOT have gone undefeated (most likely). So, we need to keep raiding Cali talent and get the offense explosive and start blowing out folks and WIN. THAT's when it gets fun. I WANT to get to the point that we go undefeated (or lose one game) and complain we're not playing for the national championship. If we are filling our stadium and become "Dallas' team", we get into whatever conference we want (most likely) and get to dictate our terms (somewhat). I want us to join the Pac-12, personally, so I can more easily see some games! ;-)
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Re: SMU -- The Clock is Ticking

Postby Charleston Pony » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:59 pm

ericdickerson4life wrote:
Otter wrote:CoxMustangFan, Comet, StallionsModelT and WestexSMU all make great points. SMU Athletics needs to start dressing for the job they want, not using the "when we win" excuse as a rationale for not even trying to establish marketing relevance for their programs.


You can sit at the nicest restaurant, drink the finest champagne, have the tastiest side items, but a turd sandwich is still a turd sandwich.

We are moving in the right direction. We need to be putting as much pressure as we can on a BCS conference to take us. We need to play all the cards we have (location, location, location). But we also need to become more competitive on the field week in, week out. Year in, year out. We need to start beating a TCU or B12 school on a regular basis. We need to be dominating CUSA (like TCU in the MWC). Then we will be in the discussion. Conferences will want us on their short lists, and it will not be us trying to force ourselves down others throats and telling them it tastes good.


Don't forget to mention we need to find a way to fill our venues and make the big boys think people are actually interested in SMU...and don't give me the "win and they will come". It's true that some will, but not in the numbers we need. Just asked the guys who played with our ranked teams in the 80's.
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Re: SMU -- The Clock is Ticking

Postby Otter » Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:15 pm

Charleston Pony is bang on. You really don't need to wait to "win" before you start doing things that every other school is doing. Believe me that the conferences are well aware of SMU's indifference in this area and are not impressed.
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Re: SMU -- The Clock is Ticking

Postby westexSMU » Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:03 pm

We have heard every excuse that can be thought of such as " we have plenty of alumni in the area to fill the Stadium. " Actually wrong..Fact is basically no one who attended SMU from 1989 to 2008 came here thinking how much fun it would be supporting the football team and SMU did little to try to rebuild its football team after DP until Coach Jones came here in 2008...Sure there are a lot of alumni in Dallas who went to school here during this time period, but they, for the most part, were lost as supporters as they are not interested in our football from their experience here. Sure you try to get them interested. I'm sure you pick up some interests, but it makes more since to go after all the college football fans that are moving to the Dallas area that don't have an area team. They like college football, and if they come from out of state, they may not even like the bigger schools in Texas. SMU could be their team if we reach out.
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Re: SMU -- The Clock is Ticking

Postby ponyinNC » Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:07 pm

has there ever been an effort to brand smu as "Dallas' Team"? I would like to see that.
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Re: SMU -- The Clock is Ticking

Postby SMUer » Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:22 pm

By Orsini's own (probably inflated) count in his appeal toward the BCS, we have 40K alumni living in Dallas. We'd have to rope in >60% of them every Saturday to consistently fill Ford Stadium. We HAVE to become Dallas' team, because otherwise, we built too many seats.
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Re: SMU -- The Clock is Ticking

Postby ponyinNC » Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:47 pm

is "America's team" taken? :D
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Re: SMU -- The Clock is Ticking

Postby westexSMU » Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:32 pm

Every private school that is successful in D1 football has community/area support to make it happen. Those that don't are not successful. So to not work on this issue in the past is unbelievable for any private school that wants to succeed in football. The good news is it appears that this may finally change here at SMU.
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Re: SMU -- The Clock is Ticking

Postby smupony94 » Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:34 pm

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Re: SMU -- The Clock is Ticking

Postby Wuba » Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:40 pm

SMUer wrote:By Orsini's own (probably inflated) count in his appeal toward the BCS, we have 40K alumni living in Dallas. We'd have to rope in >60% of them every Saturday to consistently fill Ford Stadium. We HAVE to become Dallas' team, because otherwise, we built too many seats.


I do not disagree with what you are saying about becoming Dallas's team, but when you say we have to get >60% of the alumni you are not considering that many of those alumni are married to non-alums who they could bring and some of them will have children as well. Doesn't change the point that we need to bring in non-alums with no other connection, just something to consider when you throw out the >60% figure.
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Re: SMU -- The Clock is Ticking

Postby PoconoPony » Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:54 pm

I think we should apply to the Ivy League and run rampant beating up on Princeton, Harvard, Yale...etc. Solves our problem if we cannot become BCS and saves us from UNT, UTSA.
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Re: SMU -- The Clock is Ticking

Postby ponyboy » Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:54 pm

I was thinking about this on my way in to work this morning. Why don't we have big honking signs with June Jones plastered all over them -- not the TCU high school looking signs, but real ones? I'd like to see them on 35 north and south, 75 north and south, 281, 635. Hell, put one in downtown Fort Worth! Frigging drop the cash and advertise! We have a very recognizable coach that the majority of Dallas has forgotten we have!
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Re: SMU -- The Clock is Ticking

Postby Stallion » Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:26 pm

Yeah something like:

"June Jones-The Most Peculiar Man in the World"

the guys on the Houston Cougar website already have about a 1,000 punchlines written about the mystical one.
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Re: SMU -- The Clock is Ticking

Postby HB Pony Dad » Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:03 pm

Stallion wrote:Yeah something like:

"June Jones-The Most Peculiar Man in the World"

the guys on the Houston Cougar website already have about a 1,000 punchlines written about the mystical one.


Kind of like Phil Jackson!

We all saw how that worked out!
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Re: SMU -- The Clock is Ticking

Postby PerunaPunch » Sat Sep 24, 2011 8:42 am

Comet wrote:
Hoop Fan wrote:i totally disagree with this we don't deserve it anyway stuff. We have been building for a decade too. Where do you think Ford Stadium came from? The Boulevard? Long overdue academic reforms that took years? On campus facilities to grow the school? Fundraising? And why doesnt hiring June Jones for $2m count? you don't get what you deserve anyway, you're gonna get what you can negotiate.

And that's fine and I'm glad we're doing that. But we still have a long way to go, that's the point. We can't fill our small stadium unless it's against TCU (where they fill up more than a third of the stadium). And on the field, we still have a longer way to go. We need to be winning our conference and actually beating BCS opponents when the chance comes. That will come with time, but all I am saying is that we're not in a position to feel entitled about being invited to the Big XII, not yet at least. We have to be the school that everyone wants to scoop up during the next conference realignment, and right now selling ourselves on our "future potential" is still a weak argument for conferences who want strength and stability today.

Great strides, but much farther to go indeed.

I was hoping for a statement game against TAMU (not a win necessarily, but competitive football), but we laid an egg.

Need to fill up the stands.

New school of eduction is a farce -- it's so popular that is is filled with regular upperclassmen, that our student-athletes can't even get into classes.

Our support programs for student-athletes are yearqs behind.

And to suggest we can deliver the Dallas market when we are disconnected from the, and oh by the way have no marketing department, is ridiculous. UT and TCU bothe market to the Dallas ADI better than we do.
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