I feel bad too

by **BRStang** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:35 am

Mustangs35...

Look, no disrespect to you, and I hate being the one to say this to you (better me than Ponysnob or Troll)...

I appreciate the fact that you are so high on SMU football and the university itself, and I do hope that you are able to attend once you get out of whatever grade you are in Longview...BUT

To come on this board and accuse those of us who have actually paid tuition, attended and given donations to SMU and who have a right to expect improvement in their alma mater's football program of "loving seeing the Mustangs fall like this"...well, to put it mildly, nah...I won't say it.

This is a board (the only board) on which alumni, students, fans, and, yes, trolls, alike come to voice their concerns or opinions about SMU football. Most of the people on this board LOVE SMU and would do just about anything in their power to see the football team win...WE HAVE A RIGHT TO BE ANGRY AND EXPRESS OUR FRUSTRATIONS WITH THIS TERRIBLE TEAM AND ITS FAILURE TO IMPROVE AFTER 15 YEARS.

Trust me, there are more people that I graduated with who don't even know the name of our coach or who we even played this year--all they assume is that we are losing...they are gone...The people on this board are die hard, loyal fans, and many of us GIVE, GIVE and GIVE SOME MORE for NOTHING IN RETURN...If SMU lost us, there would be no one left...the purpose of being a fan and supporting a team in competition is to receive a little joy now and again when they win...Our team is not even competitive...they are being blown out week after week by weak conference opponents.

YOU have not yet earned the right to criticize me or anyone else who supports our team week after week, year after year. Come back when you've shelled out $100K on an education or donated thousands of dollars to the Mustang Club. Buddy, without people like me, you would have no team to spend your Friday nights posting about... :evil:

by **HPPony** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:38 am

Mustangs35SMU wrote:
Im just tired of coming here to see negative remarks after seeing our boys get beatin to death out there.

You and me both. Just stay positive. Believe in the boys.

(Stallion - is that not the best movie line ever?)

by **BUS** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 11:37 am

I believe in the Boys and still think Coach Bennett can make up competitive.

The part of the team that are not working are.... The Administration/Faculty Senate/Board of Regents.

I know some of these people and like them but SMU is not a top 10 or 20 school.

Why do we put resrictions on ourselves?

When the why is answered we can change.

GO SMU and GO Coach Bennett

by **EastStang** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 12:52 pm

We sure have our share of "Stillwell Angels" on this board.

by **BUS** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 1:19 pm

Hello Eaststang -

Why are you acting like a [deleted]. Things need to change - How is that being a " Stillwell Angel"

Rah Rah and accepting the current situation would mean Still Well.

And we did win a game. That is progress - Not near enough for me but something.

by **sam** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:58 pm

Mustang 335,are you telling me that a team cannot be compeitive with 85 freshman/soph,you said it was impossible. Well you need to open your eyes and realize that bennett is not a head coach and never will be. He can't coach, if they were all seniors it would be the same result, I would bet that if bennett was at A&M right now they would be 1-5 instead of 5-1.Can't you see this? Are you at the same game as I am. He is horrible, not the players, him.

Oh by the way Boise has many fres/soph as we do and they are not only winning,but they are also in the top 20 and will probably win the conference, I guess they did the impossible! But you know, the impossible is possible if you have a coach.l

by PK » Thu Oct 21, 2004 11:26 pm

FYI - make of it what you will:

Game Starters:
SMU

POS ## OFFENSE
QB 4 Eckert, Tony JR
TB 32 Munlin, Foy SR
FB 20 Brown, Derron SR
LT 58 Johnson, Darrin SO
LG 65 Turner, Bryan SO
C 62 Kieschnick, B. JR
RG 71 Guidry, Martin SO
RT 78 Urbanus, Chris SO
TE 89 Kennedy, Ryan SO
WR 82 Chase, Bobby SO
WR 24 Blackmon, C. FR

POS ## DEFENSE
DE 93 Karrington, B. SO
DT 14 Adami, Allan SR
NG 96 Jones, Desmond SO
DE 40 Rogers, Justin SO
LB 6 Harris, Rico JR
LB 44 Hall, Zach FR
LB 5 McCray, Wilton FR
CB 26 Humphrey, R. JR
SS 16 Harper, Jamey JR
FS 27 Nnabuife, A. JR
CB 12 Akinyemi, C. JR

Boise State

POS ## OFFENSE
X 89 T.J. Acree SR
Z 9 Lawrence Bady SR
LT 73 Daryn Colledge JR
KG 66 Tad Miller FR
C 65 Klayton Adams SR
RG 70 M.J. Ansel SR
RT 54 Jeff Cavender FR
TE 91 Derek Schouman SO
QB 5 Jared Zabransky SO
TB 17 Lee Marks JR
FB 33 J. Helmandollar FR

POS ## DEFENSE
LE 92 Julius Roberts SR
LT 57 Andrew Browning SO
RT 99 Alex Guerrero JR
RE 96 Mike Williams SO
LB 31 Colt Brooks SO
LB 25 Korey Hall SO
LB 40 Andy Avalos SR
ROV 1 Chris Carr SR
FS 27 Cam Hall JR
LC 16 Gabe Franklin SR
RC 18 G. Alexander SO

by **LA_Mustang** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 11:40 pm

I'm spiltting hairs......Justin Rogers is a sophomore.

by **SoCal_Pony** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 12:30 am

By my count

SMU's starters included: 10 Srs and Jrs + 12 Soph and Frsh

Boise State starters included: 12 Srs and Jrs + 10 Soph and Frsh

by **EastStang** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 6:57 am

Bus- I'm not calling you a Stillwell Angel, just the recent arrivals on the board who seem to be fostering negativity. You have earned a great deal of cred on this board. I did not see your post and my intention was to add a little levity to the thread about a "League of their Own". I believe that you and I agree on most of the remedies, big uglies, about 40 guys who make Louie Kelcher look pretty, and deal with the academic issues remaining including athlete friendly majors (like we used to have). On the other hand, we do have company in our current condition. Duke and Vanderbilt. They seem to have the same problems that we do on the football field. And lastly, we do get some good moments as Mustangs even if it hasn't been on the gridiron. Watching some of our kids compete in the Olympics, seeing the late great Payne Stewart win the U.S. Open or lead the U.S. to its last Ryder Cup victory, and seeing that our soccer team is ranked 4th in the Country. That may not be what we want, but at least it is something to be proud of. Yes, institutional changes are still needing to be made. But the worst shackles have been removed, we're are in tweeking mode. And by the way, Navy does not have athlete friendly majors and they have really improved their program.

by **Water Pony** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 7:23 am

Eastang,

Good points. I would add that the alternative is to "demand" changes (listed throughout the Board). I am always amused that this "point" more than any other is the missing ingredient by several posters.

Most things worth doing require new skills, time, commitment and long term view of things. Yes, 15 years is a long time but, during this period:

- BCS model changes the revenue model for the big schools, thus handicapping the non-BCS and private schools
- Conference alignment became a critical element
- Salaries for coaches and staff and operating expenses look like a hockey stick on a graph
- our dilemma is not unique, the environment is tough, especially for a medium sized, privates.

But, when we generate some success, the value of our school and program will be even more valuable to potential recruits. I like the foundation we are laying (despite all the obvious frustrations) and know that the difficulties of our challenges will make success so much more sweet.

Guys, our limitations need to become assets but don't simply think that "changes" must be made, as if this is the right and only prognosis. Complex problems aren't solved by simple answers.

I support these players and those, who want be part of something extremely exciting.

by **BUS** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 7:53 am

East;
All is good. I had thought that maybe you had crossed over to the dark side and saying that I and a lot others were HAPPY with this program.

We do agree.

We talk but what needs to happen is Send you donation checks in to SMU - DONT SIGN THEM.

Redeem for Cash when NCAA rules are followed.

by **EastStang** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 8:39 am

BUS- in the movie "A League of their Own" Stillwell Angel was the bratty little kid who kept singing, "you're going to lose!, you're going to lose".

by **QuietManDisciple** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 8:57 am

PonySnob wrote: No, I don't hope that coach Tubbs fails - but it is a little too early to call him the savior of SMU basketball. Everybody thought Phil Bennett was going to be the savior of SMU football, but after 31 games, his team is not playing any better than it did in his first game.

Good point, PonySnob, and one with which I completely concur. Seven months after Mike Dement was sent packing, I'm still trying to digest the logic behind firing the third winningest coach in SMU basketball history while keeping the first football coach who managed to lose every game in a season.

Does Tubbs deserve a chance and our support? Sure he does. But there's nothing wrong with a little healthy skepticism. After all, we've learned the hard way that good assistants do not necessarily make successful head coaches.

by PK » Fri Oct 22, 2004 8:58 am

LA_Mustang wrote:I'm spiltting hairs......Justin Rogers is a sophomore.

You are right...it was late and my eyes were a bit blurry.

I feel bad too

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