SBR Pony wrote:Its not fair to place so much blame on McDermott. The OL was awful. They didn't block worth a [Gary Patterson]. JJ had milliseconds to throw on the majority of downs.
33 percent of the blame seems appropriate for McD, the coaches and the o-line share the rest.
They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security
SBR Pony wrote:Its not fair to place so much blame on McDermott. The OL was awful. They didn't block worth a [Gary Patterson]. JJ had milliseconds to throw on the majority of downs.
33 percent of the blame seems appropriate for McD, the coaches and the o-line share the rest.
receivers played a flawless game and deserve no blame? They could barley get open...southern miss db's blanketed them and we never got a player behind their secondary all night. Not that we had time to throw a deep ball because McD had to get rid of the ball in less than 2 seconds.
SBR Pony wrote:Its not fair to place so much blame on McDermott. The OL was awful. They didn't block worth a [Gary Patterson]. JJ had milliseconds to throw on the majority of downs.
33 percent of the blame seems appropriate for McD, the coaches and the o-line share the rest.
receivers played a flawless game and deserve no blame? They could barley get open...southern miss db's blanketed them and we never got a player behind their secondary all night. Not that we had time to throw a deep ball because McD had to get rid of the ball in less than 2 seconds.
I didn't say they were flawless, there were drops on some poorly thrown balls that they still had a shot and at other times timing was disrupted due to terrible snaps and terrible blocking. Bottom line, McD just didn't deliver enough balls that the receivers could do anything with. They can't be expected to make up for his inaccuracy every game.
Last edited by sbsmith on Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:05 am, edited 1 time in total.
They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security
Well when your 2 best deep threats get clocked and knocked out of the game because of poor accuracy it makes it hard to stretch the field . Also I have USM having 1 sack on the day and it happened at 27-3 late in the 4th Q. My recolection from the game was he had pretty decent time almost every time put was holding the ball (people might not have been open).
I didn't say they were flawless, there were drops on some poorly thrown balls that they still had a shot at and other times timing was disrupted due to terrible snaps and terrible blocking. Bottom line, McD just didn't deliver enough balls that the receivers could do anything with. They can't be expected to make up for his inaccuracy every game.
So it wasn't just me; I thought several of the snaps were really low and McD had trouble handling them, which throws everything else out of rhythm. When you have 2-3 secs to make a read and throw the ball, that little bit of time to handle the snap and get up and look kills you and forces you into bad decisions. And the false starts are really bugging the [Gary Patterson] out of me. For the most experienced o-line in the country, there is just no excuse for them. Kept turning 2nd and 2's into 2nd and 7's against a D that wasn't giving you a whole lot to begin with. Can't happen against quality opponents, and it has been a problem all year to varying degrees.
"I don't think anyone around the country has any idea how good we are going to be." - Coach Justin Stepp
I didn't say they were flawless, there were drops on some poorly thrown balls that they still had a shot at and other times timing was disrupted due to terrible snaps and terrible blocking. Bottom line, McD just didn't deliver enough balls that the receivers could do anything with. They can't be expected to make up for his inaccuracy every game.
So it wasn't just me; I thought several of the snaps were really low and McD had trouble handling them, which throws everything else out of rhythm. When you have 2-3 secs to make a read and throw the ball, that little bit of time to handle the snap and get up and look kills you and forces you into bad decisions. And the false starts are really bugging the [Gary Patterson] out of me. For the most experienced o-line in the country, there is just no excuse for them. Kept turning 2nd and 2's into 2nd and 7's against a D that wasn't giving you a whole lot to begin with. Can't happen against quality opponents, and it has been a problem all year to varying degrees.
No it wasn't just you, the snaps were a big issue last season as well, likely contributed to Padron's performance dip. Nothing much to say about the false starts except that you'd expect them in abundance from a line full of underclassman not seniors who have played together forever.
They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security
This was a team loss. The O-line looked bad and got man handled. Yes, Line had 163 yards but half of those came on two carries. McD got receivers blown up all night. Receivers dropped a couple of catchable balls and missed some down field blocks. Defense did ok but we're not spectacular. I stopped counting the number of offsides penalties. Richardson looked lost on kickoff returns. To be as fast as he is, where is the explosion up field.
Coaching wasn't great, but the guys were in a position to win and just failed to execute. Bottom line is that one of the teams playing last night belongs on the top 25 and the other did not. We lost to a better team on the road. I suspect this team will bounce back and should go into the Houton game with two losses.
dubs- sorry but i don't agree that the defense was ok. They couldn't handle the hurry-up, had a lot of arm tackles that didn't stop the runner and our pass D got eaten alive with their short, quick passes. IMO part of that falls on the D coaches and their game plan. We absolutely must develop a D that can handle the short quick passes and the hurry-up O that teams are going to throw at us. Jamming their receivers might help a little.
hpsmufan wrote:The team strength became its weakest link last night. They looked slow and less experienced than they are. Did better at A&M. JJ telegraphed worse than Padron. Surprised he did not have 5+ picks, TERRIBLE, and may have added to the O-line disaster. The most painful observation; Our coaches were completely out coached. There seemed like a bend don't break approach to the defense rather than imposing their will, which with the correct scheme I believe our defense could. In general the offense played scared led by a terrible o-line effort and a very bad QB night.
Get [deleted] and take it out on Tulsa and the rest of the season.
Bright spot: So. Miss. is better than their record suggests, way better!
I agree, our coaches completely got out coached last night.
redpony wrote:dubs- sorry but i don't agree that the defense was ok. They couldn't handle the hurry-up, had a lot of arm tackles that didn't stop the runner and our pass D got eaten alive with their short, quick passes. IMO part of that falls on the D coaches and their game plan. We absolutely must develop a D that can handle the short quick passes and the hurry-up O that teams are going to throw at us. Jamming their receivers might help a little.
GO PONIES!!!
Agree, D never figured out any way to put pressure on the QB. We had no sacks and almost no pressures. Receivers were virtually wide open in our zone D and we had far too many missed and/or arm tackles. Hurry up O caused us to be out of sync. and out of position and our lack of depth started to show up at times with fatigue an issue.
Bottom Line-they gave up 20 points to an extremely potent offense -should be a very winnable game with offensive production. Most predictions had this game in the 30s
"With a quarter of a tank of gas, we can get everything we need right here in DFW." -SMU Head Coach Chad Morris
When momentum starts rolling downhill in recruiting-WATCH OUT.
I didn't say they were flawless, there were drops on some poorly thrown balls that they still had a shot at and other times timing was disrupted due to terrible snaps and terrible blocking. Bottom line, McD just didn't deliver enough balls that the receivers could do anything with. They can't be expected to make up for his inaccuracy every game.
So it wasn't just me; I thought several of the snaps were really low and McD had trouble handling them, which throws everything else out of rhythm. When you have 2-3 secs to make a read and throw the ball, that little bit of time to handle the snap and get up and look kills you and forces you into bad decisions. And the false starts are really bugging the [Gary Patterson] out of me. For the most experienced o-line in the country, there is just no excuse for them. Kept turning 2nd and 2's into 2nd and 7's against a D that wasn't giving you a whole lot to begin with. Can't happen against quality opponents, and it has been a problem all year to varying degrees.
No it wasn't just you, the snaps were a big issue last season as well, likely contributed to Padron's performance dip. Nothing much to say about the false starts except that you'd expect them in abundance from a line full of underclassman not seniors who have played together forever.
I commented repeatedly last night on the PF game thread that a large number of the snaps were bad and McD was constantly picking up snaps at ground level. Bad snaps take up a QB's time and take his eyes off the action if only for a split second. One of the last posts on the tread was my complement to Tennison for congratulating their coach after the game along with my comment that he needs to work on making better snaps.
redpony wrote:dubs- sorry but i don't agree that the defense was ok. They couldn't handle the hurry-up, had a lot of arm tackles that didn't stop the runner and our pass D got eaten alive with their short, quick passes. IMO part of that falls on the D coaches and their game plan. We absolutely must develop a D that can handle the short quick passes and the hurry-up O that teams are going to throw at us. Jamming their receivers might help a little.
GO PONIES!!!
I agree with you. That's why I said they were OK but not spectacular. As Stallion pointed out, the D did give us a chance to win. Absent the two turnovers, however, I would argue that the D was below average to down right bad.
