Home Attendance - Historic Pespective

[MustangSTATS]

Never said he was wrong, just wanted to see how he drew his conclusion. If he has data, it should be easily verifiable. Didn't mean to drag this out into an argument.

[2ndandlong]

Fair enough

[MustangSTATS]

Finally found a source, posting as an image so that it is easier to see:


Average Growth: TCU=8.03%, SMU=8.28%
*Note SMU still has three home games remaining for the 2011 season

Clearly 40% out performance on avg is false, but SMU does lag considerably behind TCU and more importantly we started out way behind, perhaps a scar from the DP. Also note not every year was an increase in attendance for TCU and average growth is comparable. It will be interesting to see if we can make a real jump in numbers if we win conference and finish ranked. Something TCU did in the first four years of rebuilding.

TCU's 2010 season would be interesting to further examine. They went 10-1, finished ranked and won the WAC for a second year in a row. They had an 8,000 attendance jump, but played no significant well traveling teams at home. Do not have data on individual home games to see how attendance trended.

And again TCU and SMU do not make for an apples to apples comparison, they are simply a benchmark, and this is incredibly unscientific. I have already learned way more about TCU than I have ever wanted to know.

[Stallion]

We're not talking about growth-we are talking about the true numbers of real SMU and TCU fans. SMU averaged 21,310 in 2010-The Bowl Game was not a Home Game-it was not part of the season ticket package-its a mirage-an SMU accounting trick to cover our [deleted] so someone like you can make excuses about our attendance. And you are comparing the wrong years. In TCU 3rd year of their resurgence they averaged 32,634 in comparison to this year when we going to average probably about 22,000(with Rice and Tulane) probably which we all know are inflated. 32,000 is 150% better than 22,000. Season Tickets sales which I also posted are even more clear.

Here was our real season attendance in 2010 when that analysis was done

16,612
18,184
35,481 (padded by no less than 8000 TCU fans I might add)
19,329
20,741
17,513

We have no more than 18,000 real SMU fans coming through the gates. TCU has had substantially more in the range from 130-150% more during comparable years

[MustangSTATS]

You still have not proven your claim of "TCU has had about 40% at least better attendance at each stage of development of their respective programs."

I have broken down the first four years of rebuilding for each team side by side and shown this claim to be false, and have shown how much farther behind in attendance SMU started but has pulled a slightly higher growth rate, in-spite of not winning conference titles back to back or being ranked like TCU did its first four years of rebuilding.

You are right in the fact that SMU lacks fans, but given the less amount of success and more apathy to begin with due to the DP, the amount of growth SMU has obtained is reasonable. To be mad that we are not at 32K in attendance at year four is foolish given where we started four years ago, our relative performance, and the long time of apathy that laid waste to Mustang pride post DP.

If we had 32K in attendance on average for 2011, that would mean a 14.36% average growth over the last four years. Show me a comparable school that pulled that off. Hint: TCU did not do that.

*Also 32,000 is not 150% better than 22,000, it is 45% more than 22,000. 150% more than 22,000 would be 55,000. Lack of basic math skills can be a problem when trying to compare attendance figures. Furthermore both teams inflate, so you can't take out one and not the other, and you lack a reasonable method outside of pure guessing.

[Dwan]

the point of my initial post was that when SMU was ranked in the top five, was competing for national titles, was signing the top recruiting classes in the nation, and did not have a "lost generation," we averaged about 40,000 fans for a home game. And that 40k number is slightly misleading.....20k for Rice or TCU, and 60k for Texas or A&M. So if you expect to draw 32k for a 5-1 team that is unranked, had been irrelevant for 25 years, and is playing UCF or Tulane.....you are high