SMU to Big East - ramifications for bball

[The PonyGrad]

Big East hoops: Where UCF at SMU happens
(CBSSports.com)

The Big East presidents have decided to rebuild their league by inviting Boise State, Air Force and Navy as football-only members, and SMU, UCF and Houston as all-sports members. So Syracuse, Pittsburgh and West Virginia will be replaced by Mustangs, Knights and Cougars -- three basketball programs that finished seventh, ninth and 11th in Conference USA last season.

Rick Pitino must be pissed.

Yes, I know basketball doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. But there was some thought that the sport I cover might matter some to the Big East because it's a brand most closely associated with hoops. Turns out, that thought was wrong. The league could've gone with UCF, Temple and Memphis for all sports and at least added two quality basketball programs to go with Connecticut, Louisville, Cincinnati, Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette and Notre Dame. Instead, the Big East went with three schools that bring nothing to the basketball table, meaning the league will now be worse in football and way worse in basketball than it was a year ago.

I guess the Big East could still add Temple and Memphis at some point.

That's possible, I'm told.

But for now, yeah, Rick Pitino must be pissed.

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entr ... 6/33073776

[EastStang]

Well, it appears we're in. Hopefully, Doh can recruit by pushing the aura of BE hoops to recruits. Games at MSG. Games against former National Champions like UConn, Villanova, Georgetown, Louisville, Marquette and runners up like UH, Providence, and Seton Hall. Not to mention Cincy, Notre Dame and DePaul. He's stepping into the Big Leagues now and this will be a huge test for him. I'll bet his recruiting list just expanded.

[RunningStang]

Hopefully with the move to the Big East, SMU basketball can finally tap into the DFW pipeline for recruiting and get some of the top recruits to stay home. SMU could quickly become a national power.

[ponyboy]

I am looking forward to surprising our new conference mates.

[hoopmanx]

Hopefully with the move to the Big East, SMU basketball can finally tap into the DFW pipeline for recruiting and get some of the top recruits to stay home. SMU could quickly become a national power.

Yea, cause we don't have 6 locals on the team already.

[Stallion]

yep and when those Texans get in the lineup we will have a better basketball team than when we ignored DFW

[hoopmanx]

Well, it appears we're in. Hopefully, Doh can recruit by pushing the aura of BE hoops to recruits. Games at MSG. Games against former National Champions like UConn, Villanova, Georgetown, Louisville, Marquette and runners up like UH, Providence, and Seton Hall. Not to mention Cincy, Notre Dame and DePaul. He's stepping into the Big Leagues now and this will be a huge test for him. I'll bet his recruiting list just expanded.

FWIW, I spoke w/Reggie Brown about this over the past few months. TCU had tremendous difficulty getting footing in '12 for the Big East. They were concentrating on '13, but still were shocked by the lack of local interest.

What people need to grasp is that we run a system on both ends of the floor. That system is conducive to recruiting certain types of players. We're not all of the sudden going to just recruit premier run'n'jump athletes just b/c we're Big East. We're going to recruit the best possible fits for our system.

[hoopmanx]

yep and when those Texans get in the lineup we will have a better basketball team than when we ignored DFW

lol @ ignore. Ask Nick, Cotton or Shawne how we ignored them? Sure did ignore Big Shot Rob, Cannen & Jalen too. The reality is that it took a minute to breakthrough for a variety of reasons. Ignoring our backyard sure as hell wasn't one of them. Barely missing, sure. Ignoring, hell no

[ponyboy]

I greatly enjoy seeing you fillet Stallion on a daily basis. Thank you for that.

[Stallion]

The only way he pretends to get anything over on me in the complain about things to are NEVER going to happen at SMU. He [deleted] and complains that SMU can't be like other gangster schools that get players with criminal records, doctored transcripts and, diploma mills etc. He makes broad generalized statements that are never backed up with any facts about who we can or can not recruit and why.

It ain't going to EVER HAPPEN at SMU and you are a FOOL if you want those types of kids at SMU. FACT SMU hired a Coaching Staff with ZERO contacts to get those Texas kids which was our point in the first place.

Hoopmanx can say anything he wants because he doesn't pretend to know the rules or even care about maintaining any baseline standards at SMU. The difference between Hoopmanx and I is that when I decided to take on SMU admission standards I backed it up with specific players and teams and showed exactly how SMU's rules, standards unfairly disadvantaged SMU against its natural and traditional rivals-(btw that means other schools of similiar academic stature not Lincoln Tech). Until he can do that he is just a big Blow-hard who is full of [deleted]. Here's how that is done:

1. Name a Player
2. Prove he did or did not have an offer from SMU Coaching Staff at time he committed
3. Prove he was or was not admitted to the school
4. Prove that another school offered and admitted the kid when SMU did not
5. Show his GPA/SAT qualification status on the sliding scale and that recruits transcript met core requirements with NCAA
6. Disclose other issues such as criminal records, doctored transcripts and diploma mills which are relevant to admission decisions

Instead, we get things like "SMU is not allowed to recruit players from [Houston] Yates." SMU can't recruit anybody from Tinkle Tech without telling you that TT is a fraud and a sham.

[Wuba]

The only way he pretends to get anything over on me in the complain about things to are NEVER going to happen at SMU. He [deleted] and complains that SMU can't be like other gangster schools that get players with criminal records, doctored transcripts and, diploma mills etc. He makes broad generalized statements that are never backed up with any facts about who we can or can not recruit and why.

It ain't going to EVER HAPPEN at SMU and you are a FOOL if you want those types of kids at SMU. FACT SMU hired a Coaching Staff with ZERO contacts to get those Texas kids which was our point in the first place.

Hoopmanx can say anything he wants because he doesn't pretend to know the rules or even care about maintaining any baseline standards at SMU. The difference between Hoopmanx and I is that when I decided to take on SMU admission standards I backed it up with specific players and teams and showed exactly how SMU's rules, standards unfairly disadvantaged SMU against its natural and traditional rivals-(btw that means other schools of similiar academic stature not Lincoln Tech). Until he can do that he is just a big Blow-hard who is full of [deleted]. Here's how that is done:

1. Name a Player
2. Prove he did or did not have an offer from SMU Coaching Staff at time he committed
3. Prove he was or was not admitted to the school
4. Prove that another school offered and admitted the kid when SMU did not
5. Show his GPA/SAT qualification status on the sliding scale and that recruits transcript met core requirements with NCAA

Instead, we get things like "SMU is not allowed to recruit players from [Houston] Yates." SMU can't recruit anybody from Tinkle Tech without telling you that TT is a fraud and a sham.

I don't see the words DFW or ignore in this rant. Isn't that what the debate was about?

[PonyKai]

Summarization: Model, Rivals, Model, Rivals, Model, you're a fool, I'm right.

There. Saved about 75 seconds for people.

[RunningStang]

Hopefully with the move to the Big East, SMU basketball can finally tap into the DFW pipeline for recruiting and get some of the top recruits to stay home. SMU could quickly become a national power.

Yea, cause we don't have 6 locals on the team already.

Well then maybe we are on our way then!

[hoopmanx]

The only way he pretends to get anything over on me in the complain about things to are NEVER going to happen at SMU. He [deleted] and complains that SMU can't be like other gangster schools that get players with criminal records, doctored transcripts and, diploma mills etc. He makes broad generalized statements that are never backed up with any facts about who we can or can not recruit and why.

It ain't going to EVER HAPPEN at SMU and you are a FOOL if you want those types of kids at SMU. FACT SMU hired a Coaching Staff with ZERO contacts to get those Texas kids which was our point in the first place.

Hoopmanx can say anything he wants because he doesn't pretend to know the rules or even care about maintaining any baseline standards at SMU. The difference between Hoopmanx and I is that when I decided to take on SMU admission standards I backed it up with specific players and teams and showed exactly how SMU's rules, standards unfairly disadvantaged SMU against its natural and traditional rivals-(btw that means other schools of similiar academic stature not Lincoln Tech). Until he can do that he is just a big Blow-hard who is full of [deleted]. Here's how that is done:

1. Name a Player
2. Prove he did or did not have an offer from SMU Coaching Staff at time he committed
3. Prove he was or was not admitted to the school
4. Prove that another school offered and admitted the kid when SMU did not
5. Show his GPA/SAT qualification status on the sliding scale and that recruits transcript met core requirements with NCAA
6. Disclose other issues such as criminal records, doctored transcripts and diploma mills which are relevant to admission decisions

Instead, we get things like "SMU is not allowed to recruit players from [Houston] Yates." SMU can't recruit anybody from Tinkle Tech without telling you that TT is a fraud and a sham.

Stallion, get over it already. This is what I do and they pay me to do it. I speak w/the people that recruit for this program and have for years. Straight up, they tell me SMU needs a general education major and/or liberal studies major where kids will graduate, no matter what, limited questions asked. Also, the staff needs carte blanche to recruit any potential qualifier, from any school, or background. Beyond that, far better academic support, transfer credits actually transferring etc. The S&C program for hoops needs some major work as well.

I'm not going to play lawyer, break off the numbers, maybe accompany it w/some cool A) or B)'s. Instead, ask Reggie Brown. He was our recruit coordinator and now he recruits for TCU. Ask him the difference in the academic profile of the kids he can approach, not talking character obviously etc. Lutz will tell you then same at Creighton.

You want an even playing field in the Big East, that's what those who recruit for a living, are saying needs to happen. That's just for starters

[MustangSTATS]

looking at want hoopmanx claims SMU needs to be academically for potential athletes because by his standards they would in no way be consider students (as they have no academic reason for being here or have the necessary education to enter) so that we can be competitive, I'd rather drop BB than support such a system.