4 or 5 QB's

[ESandersfan]

Every good player, and I mean EVERY good player gets rattled, so in my opinion, June pulled the trigger too quickly to take him out for the year. Not for that particular game, maybe, but for the year? Really? And given the 7 starts I've seen of JJ and the 20 from Kyle, I still believe Kyle is the better QB. He didn't make the last 2 trips because of an injury, but if he's not taking more snaps with the 1st team this week to at least be prepared to step in against Tulane if JJ is still this bad, then I don't get our QB strategy.[/quote]

I agree...the pulling at A&M should have been done to calm KP down, but I don't want to get into all of that. That is another discussion...and I definitely disagree with June on his decision, even if McD beat TCU. People want to say well JJ beat TCU. I might respond with, KP threw for 381 and 364 and claimed 2 W's against Tulsa....those arguments are dumb. Can't compare McD beating TCU to anything. Had KP played, the outcome very well may have been the same, may have different who knows? But I do know that KP never had more INT's than TD's after 7-8 games into it. And I doubt we have an opportunity to play for the conference title this year. Either way, I agree with you, KP, Kaiser, Preston, somebody needs to be rotating snaps with McD this coming week.

[Lebanese4Life]

At least KP is more accurate and can make plays with his feet. McD is the slowest and most immobile QB I've ever seen. KP needs to get some snaps in practice and game time experience once he's healthy. McD has been a complete dud the last 2 games.

[sbsmith]

I don't want a revolving door at QB either, but I don't understand how Jones could pull Kyle so quickly against a very tough team, but stick with McDermott given his poor performance over 2 full games against teams that we were much better match-ups.

Padron had 20 starts and couldn't earn June's trust, I don't care how tough the team is, 2 picks in your first 4 throws is unacceptable especially when you've had months to prepare for the damn game. McD can't get yanked because there's no one behind him. He's the starter unless he gets hurt.

Every good player, and I mean EVERY good player gets rattled, so in my opinion, June pulled the trigger too quickly to take him out for the year. Not for that particular game, maybe, but for the year? Really? And given the 7 starts I've seen of JJ and the 20 from Kyle, I still believe Kyle is the better QB. He didn't make the last 2 trips because of an injury, but if he's not taking more snaps with the 1st team this week to at least be prepared to step in against Tulane if JJ is still this bad, then I don't get our QB strategy.

I don't think the A&M game alone got Padron benched, he regressed over the course of last season, didn't make huge strides in the offseason and A&M was the last straw. I don't like either QB and think they're equally poor and not fit to run this offense at a high level but I don't see McD getting yanked unless he gets hurt. I don't understand the QB strategy either, recruiting and development of the position has been horrible.

[ClickClack]

wait, did you guys not realize this thread was a joke?

[rich59]

All you need to know about the offense at SMU is that it converted on about 15% of the third down plays in the Tulsa game. Tulsa converted on about 40%. I wonder if the overall team play is a reflection of frustration at the QB position.

[Peruna94&07]

Here is my thoughts on not pulling JJ.

It was obvious that he was rattled and hearing foot steps from the middle of the 1st quarter.
Tulsa's DC did a good job of disguising his schemes
JJ doeesn't have the arm for the long throws. Might have the strength but no accuracy
Receivers dropped some but a lot of them were bad throws.
At least one of the tipped interceptions was because JJ threw the ball behind the guy and the receiver tried to recover and it bounced of the outside of his pads

In the fourth quarter it appeared that June left him in there to establish a rhythm. Which they were able to do for the most part. If we had started the game like that it would have been very different. I don't know if Tulsa pulled their starters but we started to move the ball.
If he puts Kaiser what value would that have? JJ wouldn't have had an oppty to clear his head
Do we really want Kaiser as our starter next week?
Lets keep Conner on the bench this year, he needs the extra year to learn the offense. If you think about our options next year, either Padron becomes the QB we hope for or we look to leverage Kaiser and Conner.

Don't know how bad Padron's back issue is but we need him on the sideilne Saturday. Given we are playing Tulane if we remotely crash and burn Kyle should take some of the snaps.

Can't hurt right? At this point I am focusing on beating Tulane and Rice so we get a bowl. Although I really don't like waiting until the Rice game, gives me too many flashbacks of the Bennet years.

[Gotcha]

All you need to know about the offense at SMU is that it converted on about 15% of the third down plays in the Tulsa game. Tulsa converted on about 40%. I wonder if the overall team play is a reflection of frustration at the QB position.

Yeah, the offense has sucked the last 2 games.

[SMUstang]

I agree with Big Hoss. What is our QB strategy?

[LA_Mustang]

just added another

[SMU91]

No offense guys, but I'll go with June on this.

[ESandersfan]

To SBSmith...

3900 yards and 31 TD's sounds decent to me, or at least better than !0 Td's to 11 INT's and 2000 yards.....

JJ like I have said all along does one thing better (or at least used to) than KP and that was going to his check downs. I am not going to play the numbers game because like it is unfair to compare the TCU team of last year to this years team it is equally unfair to compare Tulsa team of last year to this year. HOWEVER- maybe neither are fit for the offense, you might be right, but in my opinion it is clear that JJ is not the QB KP is. TCU Win or not, this team will not get back to the conference championship as it did last year, and that my friends is the big thing. Have to get there for any other opportunities.

Everybody wants to give June credit for getting us back two bowl games and to a conference championship (rightfully so) But who was our QB during both of those runs? As poorly as KP played, I dont remember but maybe 1 game where he didn't throw a TD pass in 20 something starts. I can name 4 off the top of my head for this years. Say what you want, but I am annoyed with you bashing this KID all the time....

Pony up!

[MustangSTATS]

McD's terrible performance and the fact he played injured only shows Kaiser is not an alternative and CP is not worth burning a redshirt for in his current stage of development. QB roster should be filling up nicely in the coming years to avoid these problems in the future.

[sbsmith]

To SBSmith...

3900 yards and 31 TD's sounds decent to me, or at least better than !0 Td's to 11 INT's and 2000 yards.....

JJ like I have said all along does one thing better (or at least used to) than KP and that was going to his check downs. I am not going to play the numbers game because like it is unfair to compare the TCU team of last year to this years team it is equally unfair to compare Tulsa team of last year to this year. HOWEVER- maybe neither are fit for the offense, you might be right, but in my opinion it is clear that JJ is not the QB KP is. TCU Win or not, this team will not get back to the conference championship as it did last year, and that my friends is the big thing. Have to get there for any other opportunities.

Everybody wants to give June credit for getting us back two bowl games and to a conference championship (rightfully so) But who was our QB during both of those runs? As poorly as KP played, I dont remember but maybe 1 game where he didn't throw a TD pass in 20 something starts. I can name 4 off the top of my head for this years. Say what you want, but I am annoyed with you bashing this KID all the time....

Pony up!

I've never bashed Padron, he did some good things for this program that I'll never forget but my Hawaii Bowl euphoria has long since worn off and he clearly didn't improve much during his time as a starter (despite the appearance of his statline) and deservedly lost his job. I hope he sticks it out and tries to win back the starting QB job because depth is an issue but I don't think he'll ever be the guy for us again. As for McD, I've never been a fan of his even during the win streak and I agree that he doesn't have the physical attributes that Padron has but he's our best option at QB right now which is more indicative of June's failures in recruiting and developing talent at the position than anything else.

[gforce021]

I'm a fan of our QB strategy, the QB competition will do nothing but positive things in the future, especially with the inclusion of Gilbert to the mix. I wish we would have given Preston a couple reps last game after it became a foregone conclusion as I was biting the barrel of my pistol in the middle of Buffalo Wild Wings.... I see great things in the future and we have so much potential with those on the receiving end, just need a messenger to get it to them.

[ESandersfan]

SBSmith...

I agree on a few things, I am not talking about Hawaii Bowl, KP played well, but he also had players make plays around him (Shawnbray, ES, Al,) OL played well...defense got the ball back. It wasnt just a KP show but thats neither here nor there

My point is that, I don't understand how anyone can say McD is the better option, look at the stats. I could care a less about the TCU win this year, other than I am stoked we beat them. McD played well, but is KP not capable of doing that? People want to say JJ has been hurt the past couple of weeks...Kp was hurt with his ankle most of last season? How's it any different... The TCU team of this year isnt anywhere near the past couple of years. below 55% completion percentage. More INT's than TD's and hes our best option? Gotta be kidding me....

And this leads me to my final point with this team. WE NEED PLAYERS TO MAKE PLAYS...QB's cant throw for 400 yards without guys making catches, tough catches. RB's cant look good without the five guys up front...busting their @$$e$...we need the OL to protect. Our problems go far beyond the QB, both KP and McD, and in order for them to compete at their highest level, we need the guys around them to get on the same page and play!!

Like the old adage says Qb too much credit when win, too much blame when lose

SBSmith wasnt jumping your guns either...just read a couple of posts where it sounded like you were bashing the kid...apologies...just want this dang team to win, and I think June is making a mistake, and that mistake might cost us next year too...

Pony Up!