A note for those hoping for JJ's departure...

otterbanjogotcha_11 · Post by **otterbanjogotcha_11** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:07 pm

SMUstang wrote:It would be great to have someone like Tebow, Elway, Montana, or Staubach. Someone who just wins, never mind how.

NONE OF THEM ARE ELIGIBLE

mr. pony · Post by **mr. pony** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:24 pm

SMUer wrote:
couch 'em wrote:Idiots. Jones has negatives but bottom line is he got things done and we are a QB away from mu h more. 2 years.

Except that the one QB is 99% of June's job, his specialty, his responsibility and the most important component of his team. I am in no way in the "fire June Jones" camp but I completely understand people having concerns in year four. You're not a bad fan for scratching your head, you just paid attention to how he was advertised.

Thank you.

ponyboy · Post by **ponyboy** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:25 pm

And how was he advertised? Hint: Compare his record at Hawaii in years two through four to his record here. He's ahead of schedule here.

mr. pony · Post by **mr. pony** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:28 pm

Think there were big recruits lined-up for Hawaii when JJ left there? Probably. It didn't stop him.

I say he jumps if the money, praise and adoration are there.
His statue is already assured here.

mr. pony · Post by **mr. pony** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:31 pm

Lotta sunshine today.

Don't forget how you felt watching USM, Tulsa, Navy, Houston and Rice games in Year Four.

NickSMU17 · Post by **NickSMU17** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:41 pm

No one will pay him more than us...

SMUer · Post by **SMUer** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:43 pm

ponyboy wrote:And how was he advertised? Hint: Compare his record at Hawaii in years two through four to his record here. He's ahead of schedule here.

When you are a QB guru in the run-and-shoot and you don't have one in year four, you're exactly 4 years behind schedule...3 if you cherish red-shirts, which June hasn't shown to be true at any point in his career. I thought he had someone with raw talent who he could work with in Bo (no improvement) and I thought he had someone who "got it" in Kyle (no improvement, but I think still capable) but despite their raw skills, neither has been groomed to be a run-and-shoot QB. I don't know who to put that on but it's clear who oversees that particular department. Godspeed June.

sbsmith · Post by **sbsmith** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:00 pm

ponyboy wrote:And how was he advertised? Hint: Compare his record at Hawaii in years two through four to his record here. He's ahead of schedule here.

2000:3-9 24.5 ppg 33.2 oppg 396.7 ypg 405.2 oypg
2001:9-3 40.2 ppg 26.5 oppg 462.7 ypg 431.7 oypg
2002:10-4 35.9 ppg 27.8 oppg 495.6 ypg 395 oypg
Total: 22-16 0 conf titles 1 bowl appearance 0 bowl wins

2009:8-5 29.2 ppg 27.6 oppg 391.8 ypg 397.1 oypg
2010:7-7 25.7 ppg 25.6 oppg 414.6 ypg 352.9 oypg
2011:7-5 25.7 ppg 24.5 oppg 396.0 ypg 351.3 oypg
Total: 22-17 0 conf titles 3 bowl appearances 1 bowl win (2011 bowl result pending)

Offenses at Hawaii were much better, defenses are better at SMU. Not ahead of schedule because we still haven't had a 9 or 10 win season and there's no legit QB in place here yet. By the end of year 4 at Hawaii June had 9 + win seasons with 3 different QBs.

ojaipony · Post by **ojaipony** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:04 pm

couch 'em wrote:Idiots. Jones has negatives but bottom line is he got things done and we are a QB away from mu h more. 2 years.

Bingo! Keno!

lwjr · Post by **lwjr** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:16 pm

I agree it takes 4 to 5 years to build a program. But June was not hired to build a program, he was hired to revive a DEAD program that had been dormant for 20 years. I am guessing the first two years of recruiting were brutal. You go meet a recruit, tell them where you are coaching and the kid ask, Where? I think we are just now starting to see what June and his staff are capable of when it comes to recruiting. I am not a fan of the R&S, but I support June Jones and the miracle he seems to be creating on the hilltop. I am going to cut him some slack on the rebuilding time frame.

SMU_Alumni11 · Post by **SMU_Alumni11** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:18 pm

lwjr wrote:I agree it takes 4 to 5 years to build a program. But June was not hired to build a program, he was hired to revive a DEAD program that had been dormant for 20 years. I am guessing the first two years of recruiting were brutal. You go meet a recruit, tell them where you are coaching and the kid ask, Where? I think we are just now starting to see what June and his staff are capable of when it comes to recruiting. I am not a fan of the R&S, but I support June Jones and the miracle he seems to be creating on the hilltop. I am going to cut him some slack on the rebuilding time frame.

Wow totally agree, RnS is only fun when it works, this season hasnt been short of disaster. I wish he would have a second playbook thats design for more run and PA. It would just be nice to see something like that.

otterbanjogotcha_11 · Post by **otterbanjogotcha_11** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:55 pm

SMU_Alumni11 wrote:
lwjr wrote:I agree it takes 4 to 5 years to build a program. But June was not hired to build a program, he was hired to revive a DEAD program that had been dormant for 20 years. I am guessing the first two years of recruiting were brutal. You go meet a recruit, tell them where you are coaching and the kid ask, Where? I think we are just now starting to see what June and his staff are capable of when it comes to recruiting. I am not a fan of the R&S, but I support June Jones and the miracle he seems to be creating on the hilltop. I am going to cut him some slack on the rebuilding time frame.

Wow totally agree, RnS is only fun when it works, this season hasnt been short of disaster. I wish he would have a second playbook thats design for more run and PA. It would just be nice to see something like that.

COULDN'T AGREE MORE

Topper · Post by **Topper** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:05 pm

As I have said before, even Ron Meyer, recruiter extraordinaire, did not have a winning season until his fifth one here. And that was after succeeding a coach who had three winning seasons out of four.

Mestengo · Post by **Mestengo** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:49 pm

I like the name topper reminds me of the cat with a big dog

Mitch McConnell · Post by **Mitch McConnell** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:36 am

Topper wrote:As I have said before, even Ron Meyer, recruiter extraordinaire, did not have a winning season until his fifth one here. And that was after succeeding a coach who had three winning seasons out of four.

Well, according to June year five for him -- unlike Meyer -- is going to be a total flop.