Jones was actively looking for a new job, right?

2ndandlong · Post by **2ndandlong** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:23 am

RSFan wrote:There are dozens on this site that want legal action and if they realized or cared about the effect it would actually have on the future of the program and searches for coaches one would hope they would see their folly and quit trying to cause more trouble.

This is the key which leads me to believe they're fools. What coach would want to go to a school that is suing the departing coach? What school would hire a coach that is suing the former school? (The answer to the second question is Washington State.)

Insane_Pony_Posse · Post by **Insane_Pony_Posse** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:26 am

2ndandlong wrote:I agree we're better than some of the top 25 gigs.
I would also say that there are several schools not in the top 25 that are
much more attractive than SMU.

I guess the ideal situation is what Boise State or TCU has.
A great coach...hired from within
that appears to like his surroundings even when offered a bigger stage.
I think they are the exception...most leave when offered brighter lights.
I wish we could find the exception too.

originaloverthehilltop1 · Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:42 am

yes june was actively looking. bottom line is this: big egos don't like playing to small crowds. he says he underestimated "how bad" the smu situation was.

that's understandable, in ncaa history no school had never before had these two things happen:

the death penalty

immediately replacing the president of the university with a person who was at once inexperienced and indifferent to the demands of ncaa div 1 football competition. this resulted in a disastrous period in which the recovery was delayed a good 25 years.

unfortunately, todays big coaching egos don't permit the kind of long term commitment necessary to finish this unique job.

therefore its probly not going to be completed by one person, one staff.

smu '73

NickSMU17 · Post by **NickSMU17** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:44 am

Top 25 job 2nd and long I didn't stutter.

You work for one of the best law firms in the country and could pick you're local, why Dallas?

With the money we spend on coaches, the surrounding area,the little pressure to win (we want to
Love jj because he took us to 3 bowl games in and era where 55 percent of teams do this), the networking ect.

You prob could have went to a lot of top 25 academic schools but you choose smu for a lot of the same reasons coaches think.

It has been well documented that most of the industry regards smu as a sleeping giant. It took 25 years to wake up and we keep hitting the snooze button we were are ready.

If jj doesn't want to be the guy then move on, resign go elsewhere. It amazing you can defend a guy that doesn't like smu, doesn't like rgt, doesn't like Dallas, doesn't want to be here....

So get the heck out, jj isn't the be all end all, if you want to leave...leave don't f around and call others, there are plenty of jobs out there so go..

He doesn't need the money, he can thank smu for that in more ways than 1.

Let's figure out how to keep klemm the recruits and keep moving forward.

hoopmanx · Post by **hoopmanx** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:53 am

2ndandlong wrote:
RSFan wrote:There are dozens on this site that want legal action and if they realized or cared about the effect it would actually have on the future of the program and searches for coaches one would hope they would see their folly and quit trying to cause more trouble.

This is the key which leads me to believe they're fools. What coach would want to go to a school that is suing the departing coach? What school would hire a coach that is suing the former school? (The answer to the second question is Washington State.)

LOL, I work for the world's largest football-based apparel company, and the executive floor is laughing their asses off at our inaction. Nobody is saying litigate against Jones, just hold his feet to the fire, until you can fire him. Start working a replacement now, and undermine Jones at every turn. I've spoken w/several coaches and they all think he has to be moved. Anyone saying we should stand pat, until the mission is completed, is a eunich

mr. pony · Post by **mr. pony** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:54 am

originaloverthehilltop1 wrote:yes june was actively looking. bottom line is this: big egos don't like playing to small crowds. he says he underestimated "how bad" the smu situation was.

He played to small crowds for years at Hawaii. Didn't bother him, cuz he liked where he was and wanted badly for Hawaii to succeed. He said once it was 9 years (and a couple of 10+ win seasons) before Hawaii packed that stadium.
His attitude toward SMU is totally unwarranted. He needs to fix that -- and FAST.
Three 7-win regular seasons isn't squat to Dallas.
He knows SMU is an easy target for criticism around the country. His comments about not knowing "how bad" it was here are insulting. He knows his ESPN buds will lap that up.
This was/is a plum job - for a devoted, good coach. There are plenty out there.

hoopmanx · Post by **hoopmanx** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:58 am

mr. pony wrote:
originaloverthehilltop1 wrote:yes june was actively looking. bottom line is this: big egos don't like playing to small crowds. he says he underestimated "how bad" the smu situation was.

He played to small crowds for years at Hawaii. Didn't bother him, cuz he liked where he was and wanted badly for Hawaii to succeed. He said once it was 9 years (and a couple of 10+ win seasons) before Hawaii packed that stadium.
His attitude toward SMU is totally unwarranted. He needs to fix that -- and FAST.
Three 7-win regular seasons isn't squat to Dallas.
He knows SMU is an easy target for criticism around the country. His comments about not knowing "how bad" it was here are insulting. He knows his ESPN buds will lap that up.
This was/is a plumb job - for a devoted, good coach. There are plenty out there.

FWIW, Doh has no idea how bad it was at SMU, and despite bigger challenges than what football has faced, never truly threw the school under the bus. Doh is [deleted] and he managed to find the high road, you'd think a guy getting close to 6x as much money would do the same.

NickSMU17 · Post by **NickSMU17** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:58 am

hoopmanx wrote:
2ndandlong wrote:
RSFan wrote:There are dozens on this site that want legal action and if they realized or cared about the effect it would actually have on the future of the program and searches for coaches one would hope they would see their folly and quit trying to cause more trouble.

This is the key which leads me to believe they're fools. What coach would want to go to a school that is suing the departing coach? What school would hire a coach that is suing the former school? (The answer to the second question is Washington State.)

LOL, I work for the world's largest football-based apparel company, and the executive floor is laughing their asses off at our inaction. Nobody is saying litigate against Jones, just hold his feet to the fire, until you can fire him. Start working a replacement now, and undermine Jones at every turn. I've spoken w/several coaches and they all think he has to be moved. Anyone saying we should stand pat, until the mission is completed, is a eunich

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huskerpony · Post by **huskerpony** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:03 pm

2ndandlong wrote:
RSFan wrote:There are dozens on this site that want legal action and if they realized or cared about the effect it would actually have on the future of the program and searches for coaches one would hope they would see their folly and quit trying to cause more trouble.

This is the key which leads me to believe they're fools. What coach would want to go to a school that is suing the departing coach? What school would hire a coach that is suing the former school? (The answer to the second question is Washington State.)

The answer to the first question is Tuberville, Skip Holtz, Holgerson, etc. I'm sure there are more examples. Lots of coaches have been fired for cause.

huskerpony · Post by **huskerpony** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:07 pm

2ndandlong wrote:The national attention on our program sucks. A major conference realignment announcement concerning us gets buried on page 3.

I agree with most of what you said, but that one is largely on June and his agent being on the radio promoting his client for the ASU job hours before the conference announcement. (And it not really being news because everyone has known for 6 weeks already.)

Bo Darville · Post by **Bo Darville** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:08 pm

Bring back Phil Bennett!

ojaipony · Post by **ojaipony** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:34 pm

hoopmanx wrote:
LOL, I work for the world's largest football-based apparel company, and the executive floor is laughing their asses off at our inaction. Nobody is saying litigate against Jones, just hold his feet to the fire, until you can fire him. Start working a replacement now, and undermine Jones at every turn. I've spoken w/several coaches and they all think he has to be moved. Anyone saying we should stand pat, until the mission is completed, is a eunich

Maybe said executives should keep to their day jobs of selling t-shirts.

SMUer · Post by **SMUer** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:03 pm

What was on Page 1?

2ndandlong · Post by **2ndandlong** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:41 pm

NickSMU17 wrote:If jj doesn't want to be the guy then move on, resign go elsewhere. It amazing you can defend a guy that doesn't like smu, doesn't like rgt, doesn't like Dallas, doesn't want to be here....

I agree with you completely here. I think my point got lost. I'm not trying to defend him, and I don't think I did that anywhere. I'm more annoyed at the people that think we have piles of money and coaches that are rubbing one off to come coach here.

I appreciate that he's done a lot for this program in 4 years. Do I think he is the long term future of SMU? No.
Will one more year here effect us materially one way or the other? Probably not.

Has my opinion of him really changed in the last week? No. He's still a good (chose that wisely) coach that has set us in the right direction. If we as an institution play our cards wrong though, we can only make ourselves look bad to other coaches that may consider us a good place to go. Let's be honest. No coach is going to choose SMU over a school like Notre Dame, Ohio State, Florida, or TAMU (none of which are top 25) if they have the exact same offer otherwise.

Dropping a Cleveland Steamer on the chest of Jones sounds appealing to a lot of the nuts on here, but it is not going to help us in our next coaching search one bit.

2ndandlong · Post by **2ndandlong** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:44 pm

ojaipony wrote:
hoopmanx wrote:
LOL, I work for the world's largest football-based apparel company, and the executive floor is laughing their asses off at our inaction. Nobody is saying litigate against Jones, just hold his feet to the fire, until you can fire him. Start working a replacement now, and undermine Jones at every turn. I've spoken w/several coaches and they all think he has to be moved. Anyone saying we should stand pat, until the mission is completed, is a eunich

Maybe said executives should keep to their day jobs of selling t-shirts.

lol