Laken Got a Nice Scoop on SMU/ArizonaSt Transition Period

[redpony]

It will be interesting to see if SO has the cajones to do what should be done or if he just wants to gloss it over and pretend it didn't happen. Wonder if Turner is aware of this as well.

GO PONIES!!!

[Junior]

ok, this all makes a lot more sense.

re: Laken's tweets, i don't really follow twitter all that much. i looked at her last dozen or so and didn't see anything disparaging SMU. i'm assuming that many of you on here follow her a little more closely. if she has said things in the past, i never saw them but i'll go with what you're saying.

as far as the holloway thing, not sure where i fall on this. i know i'm happy he's here now.

[ebrooks11]

Do tweets hold up in court?

[CalallenStang]

Do tweets hold up in court?

Testimony does

And combined with the other (circumstantial) evidence, the case is pretty good

[Wuba]

As far as I am concerned, telling Holloway (or anyone else) that he would still give him an offer if he moved to ASU (once the ASU stuff became public) is recruiting for SMU.

Would you really prefer that June say to a recruit "this offer is for SMU, if I go to ASU you are out of luck as I will recruit better players than you."? If not, how would you like him to handle that conversation in a way that will endear the kid to him?

I think saying that the kid has an offer wherever the coach ends up is the best way to build the relationship with the recruit. In the case of Holloway, it worked apparently, as he ended up here.

[redpony]

I think if he wanted to SO could ask CH directly if those comments were made or not. Then the appropriate action should follow. Honestly, I doubt if SO wants to know the truth.

GO PONIES!!!

[Stallion]

Scout including its very good West Coast connections beat the hell out of Rivals on reporting about the West Coast kids. I swear Rivals was pulling its punches for the home team because the story from Scout was not good from Day 1 and proved to be accurate. People reading Rivals were holding out for a lost cause for a long time because Rivals was going with the June Jones-"We've contacted all the recruits and they remain committed" Line. Everytime Laken or another West Coast Scout correspondent talked to av recruit they got the quote that showed they were backing away from their commitment. And Scout got it first each time. Some people would rather hear the home team spin even when it is wrong

[RGV Pony]

Seems to me the prudent thing to do would be not discuss potential destinations for oneself prior to it being a done deal. Plus this kind of flies in the face of june's position of being on the outside looking in and it being a situation that got out of hand.

[Bergermeister]

Do tweets hold up in court?

Testimony does

And combined with the other (circumstantial) evidence, the case is pretty good

It's college football. That's the way football go.

[SMUer]

They know. They are just banking on the fact that SMU has fans that either don't know about or don't care enough to walk out on their season tickets. It's a good bet. They get to keep their "name" coach and avoid the risk of not getting another and at the end of the day this isn't going to deter anyone from coming to SMU games, who hasn't gone before. Amongst the die-hards on here, we lost, what, one fan who is no longer going to buy season tickets because of this? I'm not trying to discount OTP's important at all but...that bet was kind of well played.

As for Klemm leaving, maybe they didn't know that was going to happen but SMU still got enough able FB recruits to proclaim "best recruiting class in 25 years" without too much mumbling. No matter that we lost 1/4 of our former class in the last month and didn't get some of the gems of the 2010 class enrolled--very few Mustang fans have Rivals or Scout subscriptions and those that do aren't going to boycott anything.

SMU's AD operates without fear of accountability from its fans. Major donors, yes. Common you and I, no.

[SMUer]

As far as I am concerned, telling Holloway (or anyone else) that he would still give him an offer if he moved to ASU (once the ASU stuff became public) is recruiting for SMU.

No freaking way that was recruiting for SMU, building a relationship maybe, but selfishly and not with SMU in mind. June could have said "Christian, you're one of my favorite players. This situation is still playing out but whether I stay here at SMU pursue elsewhere, you're at the top of my call list." I don't think anybody would expect him to say anything differently. But to talk about "bringing" them to ASU, if true, is wildly inappropriate, especially if he was truly outside of the negotiation process and things hadn't nearly proceeded to the point of only needing his signature on the dotted line, as June claims in the face of other reports.

[CalallenStang]

Would you really prefer that June say to a recruit "this offer is for SMU, if I go to ASU you are out of luck as I will recruit better players than you."? If not, how would you like him to handle that conversation in a way that will endear the kid to him?

"Hey Christian, this offer is for SMU, and that's where I'm the coach. If I end up going to another school, I'd love for you to join me, but I plan to be the head coach at SMU because it's a great institution and we are building something special here."

Never, EVER, mention another school by name.

[redpony]

SMUer- quote [They know. They are just banking on the fact that SMU has fans that either don't know about or don't care enough to walk out on their season tickets. It's a good bet. They get to keep their "name" coach and avoid the risk of not getting another and at the end of the day this isn't going to deter anyone from coming to SMU games, who hasn't gone before. Amongst the die-hards on here, we lost, what, one fan who is no longer going to buy season tickets because of this? I'm not trying to discount OTP's important at all but...that bet was kind of well played.]




I think you miss the fact that people talk. I suspect there will be more than a few casual fans that will not return. Our attendance issues can be partially solved by winning against major competiton. CUSA doesn't bring that so the casual fan doesn't care and when he hears about all of the crap going on then he cares even less.
There might also be some backlash when the MC starts asking for more money and bigger donations. The few tickets that I buy will not be missed but donations are another thing. JMHO.

GO PONIES!!!

[Comet]

I thought I'd be more upset about this, but I think I vented plenty while this was fresh some weeks back.

[jtstang]

These are the things I was saying back when this first came to light as the reason he should be sent packing back then, despite his positive contributions to SMU. SMU decided not to send him packing, and I'm over it now. Wake up, I'm pretty sure your head coach in 2012 will be June Jones. He may be a lame duck, but I think he'll be here next season.