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Re: Pivotal week for Doh and Mustangs

Postby RunPeruna » Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:51 pm

Travis Bickle wrote:4. Why can't certain coaches win; look for example at Steve Robinson from Florida State. He could not win but they bring in Leonard Hamilton and he is doing a great job. Could he do the same at a SMU, Northwestern, Rice, Stanford, etc ? Don't know and we probably won't find out. MJ fired him as the Wizzards coach. No Talent!


I lived in Tallahassee and worked at Florida State about 6 years ago. It was before Coach Hamilton was enjoying the success he is now. It took him 6 years to make the NCAA tournament. I can also tell you there was a ton of speculation to whether or not he was going to be fired. In fact I remember a win over Duke being talked about as a job saver. Obviously, the right decision was made, but to say that Leonard Hamilton was brought in and the winning began is not entirely accurate. I'm not using this as a reason to keep Coach Doh, I'm just saying that sometimes the benefit of time changes how we view a situation and this one might be as well. In five years, we might say, "I sure am glad we didn't fire him"...or "we should have fired him sooner"...only time will tell
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Re: Pivotal week for Doh and Mustangs

Postby hoopmanx » Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:12 pm

RunPeruna wrote:
Travis Bickle wrote:4. Why can't certain coaches win; look for example at Steve Robinson from Florida State. He could not win but they bring in Leonard Hamilton and he is doing a great job. Could he do the same at a SMU, Northwestern, Rice, Stanford, etc ? Don't know and we probably won't find out. MJ fired him as the Wizzards coach. No Talent!


I lived in Tallahassee and worked at Florida State about 6 years ago. It was before Coach Hamilton was enjoying the success he is now. It took him 6 years to make the NCAA tournament. I can also tell you there was a ton of speculation to whether or not he was going to be fired. In fact I remember a win over Duke being talked about as a job saver. Obviously, the right decision was made, but to say that Leonard Hamilton was brought in and the winning began is not entirely accurate. I'm not using this as a reason to keep Coach Doh, I'm just saying that sometimes the benefit of time changes how we view a situation and this one might be as well. In five years, we might say, "I sure am glad we didn't fire him"...or "we should have fired him sooner"...only time will tell


Exactly. It's only been in the last year or two that Hamilton wasn't being lumped in w/Hewitt & Lowe as abysmal ACC coaches. Beyond that, Hamilton was Joe B Hall's right hand man. The guy who bought and secured Sam Bowie. FSU plays in a crap civic center w/bad crowds, but recruits coast to coast like its an elite hoops school. To my point in another thread, maybe we should pull the cloak off our hoops program, and actually recognize what an even playing field is in basketball. IF we want to compete at the highest levels in hoops, we need a hoops specific booster group that's damn active, and Doh or whomever the coach is, needs to bury bodies where they can't be found.
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Re: Pivotal week for Doh and Mustangs

Postby SMUer » Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:17 pm

Please oh please God give me a position that I am grossly under-qualified for, and give my employers enough patience to sit around and wait 5, 6, 7 years for me to do something right.
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Re: Pivotal week for Doh and Mustangs

Postby RunPeruna » Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:45 pm

hoopmanx wrote: IF we want to compete at the highest levels in hoops, we need a hoops specific booster group that's damn active, and Doh or whomever the coach is, needs to bury bodies where they can't be found.


I've read your other post where you mentioned this and I have a question about it. What would this look like? I would be all for this, but certainly don't have the resources to cut checks or a plane to fly coaches. I know there would be room for all levels of boosters, but what/when would this be used for and who would decide if it is to be used for what the coaches want. I guess I just wonder about the logistics of it. I am a basketball guy through and through and would love for SMU basketball to be competitive!
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Re: Pivotal week for Doh and Mustangs

Postby gostangs » Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:49 pm

i think he is saying (in a confusing way) that an earlier posters claim that Doh should have been fired three yrs ago was crazy. He is right about that part.

However now it would not be so crazy - i predict we will feel pretty good about where we are by end of the year. Hoop is right about general talent upgrade now and on the way. Just doesnt feel fast enough with Big east looming.
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Re: Pivotal week for Doh and Mustangs

Postby PonyKai » Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:51 pm

It would have been grounds for institutionalization if one fired the head basketball coach after three years here, following the Tubbs incident, barring massive, incredibly brazen and ugly NCAA violations. After six years? Shoot, he's certainly earned a pink slip, but unfortunately it's just not that easy to can him and assume we'll magically be better off next year. There are pros and cons both ways- but don't mistake that for thinking his performance has earned him a pass or an extended stay. It requires proper, thorough analysis of the situation, a sizable war chest, your big-money guys on board, and there has to be an executable plan to land a quality coaching candidate that understands what kind of school this, and understands how to get us to where we need to go.

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Re: Pivotal week for Doh and Mustangs

Postby hoopmanx » Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:13 pm

Stlhockeyguy02 wrote:It would have been grounds for institutionalization if one fired the head basketball coach after three years here, following the Tubbs incident, barring massive, incredibly brazen and ugly NCAA violations. After six years? Shoot, he's certainly earned a pink slip, but unfortunately it's just not that easy to can him and assume we'll magically be better off next year. There are pros and cons both ways- but don't mistake that for thinking his performance has earned him a pass or an extended stay. It requires proper, thorough analysis of the situation, a sizable war chest, your big-money guys on board, and there has to be an executable plan to land a quality coaching candidate that understands what kind of school this, and understands how to get us to where we need to go.

P.S.- Please, no Rob Evans.


That's another great post, but it should be noted that we don't have any basketball people in place, to truly act on your on an 'executable plan to land a quality coaching candidate that understands what kind of school this is.'
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Re: Pivotal week for Doh and Mustangs

Postby EastStang » Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:05 pm

Travis Bickel what are you talking about with regard to Ira Terrell. Did you watch any games at SMU when Ira was here? I watched a ton of them. There were quite a few black players in the SWC when he was here. TT had a tough center named Bullock (who was also black) who had wars with Terrell all four years. Arkansas had hired Eddie Sutton by Ira's senior year and Sutton was putting together a team that ultimately was a final four team. Houston had African American players and joined the conference in Ira's junior year. The Aggies front court was black. Abe Lemons joined Texas and they were transitioning nicely. Baylor also was well integrated by then. The SWC went from a joke hoops conference in Ira's freshman year to a very solid hoops conference when he left. We also played a pretty decent out of conference schedule in those years as well. We had games against teams including UCLA, Auburn, Kansas, Missouri, KSU, Arizona, Arizona State, Wisconsin in there. At least try and know what you're talking about when you make a statement like that.
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Re: Pivotal week for Doh and Mustangs

Postby mr. pony » Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:23 pm

Travis Bickle wrote:
SMUer wrote:Please oh please God give me a position that I am grossly under-qualified for, and give my employers enough patience to sit around and wait 5, 6, 7 years for me to do something right.


Quit bashing Obama!


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