Dairy Crampus wrote:June pretty much said that they were making inroads in Texas and that the recruiting services are overrated - run by guys who spend too much time on the computer and never played etc. Not a lot of new stuff really - that we are getting bigger and faster players now (DBs for sure) that we couldn’t get 3 years ago. One quote was that it’s been shown parents pay the services so their kids get stars or something to that effect. June bases a lot of his recruiting on relationships built over the years and for example reiterated about Trent Dilfer and his regard for Burcham - June is extremely high on Burcham. He mentioned a case where they saw a 5 star who had signed with a BCS program on film (when evaluating someone else) that our coaches wouldn’t even have offered. My take is we need to see improved recruiting efforts but it’s not as dire as some think. And - Phillips will help. The Big East will help. Winning will help. Attendance will help. Go Ponies.
Every coach says that about recruiting services when their class is full of 2/3 star guys. It is true, the star ratings are not all-knowing and infailable, but there is a reason that top programs sign a bunch of 4/5 star guys and bottom end programs sign a bunch of 2/3 star guys. Pull up schools in BCS conferences - they have top rated talent.
If I was June and I saw Mike Leach clean my clock like what was done then I had to go to plan B players I would have said the same thing if not worse about the the recruiting services. When you are competing against UNT and Wyoming for recruits you have to say something that makes you and your staff not look like you were reaching. He complains about a 5 star QB going to a BCS that he would not have offered but what is his track record in offering QB's the past few years? Let's win some recruiting battles on multiple recruits against some other BCS schools this year. When we hit the BE all the talk will be over and we will see how he does against them. I think next year is somewhat of a lame duck year myself. We will see how we he has recruited when we play in 2014 IMO.
How many coaches would have lined up for the SMU coaching job if June had not been here to take charge and make the changes necessary to winning? Answer, O, certainly none of those 25.
How many years head start has does TCU have over SMU in getting it right? Answer, 25 years.
How many of Adrian's recruits did UCLA recruit? Answer, 1?
How many other of Adrians recruits received late offers from Pac 12 schools other that the worst program in the far West (WSU) not even Cal whose class was decimated? Answer, 0?
I just wonder how many of these California wonderkids, were continued to be judged as such by the remaining coaching staff without Klemm beating their horn? I haven't a clue, but let's wait another two years and see just how wonderful these kids with commitments as solid a oak really do. But the fact that none of his recruits have ever started here makes me wonder.
I love how you guys are now in the process of trying to destroy the recruiting reputation of the guy who I think has a great shot to being Rivals NCAA Recruiter of the Year. Already named Pac 12 Recruiter of the Year based on 7 weeks of work. Mexmustang-I think you are Bat-Shit Crazy
"With a quarter of a tank of gas, we can get everything we need right here in DFW." -SMU Head Coach Chad Morris
When momentum starts rolling downhill in recruiting-WATCH OUT.
Mexmustang wrote:I have some questions for some of you:
How many coaches would have lined up for the SMU coaching job if June had not been here to take charge and make the changes necessary to winning? Answer, O, certainly none of those 25.
How many years head start has does TCU have over SMU in getting it right? Answer, 25 years.
How many of Adrian's recruits did UCLA recruit? Answer, 1?
How many other of Adrians recruits received late offers from Pac 12 schools other that the worst program in the far West (WSU) not even Cal whose class was decimated? Answer, 0?
I just wonder how many of these California wonderkids, were continued to be judged as such by the remaining coaching staff without Klemm beating their horn? I haven't a clue, but let's wait another two years and see just how wonderful these kids with commitments as solid a oak really do. But the fact that none of his recruits have ever started here makes me wonder.
Come on MM most of Klemm's recruits are freshmen now and Gottschalks (who might start next year) is pretty good so is Holleman (who might start next year or get good playing time). Coach Mason said that Holloway might see action this year as a freshman. These guys are going to contribute in future years in my opinion. Don't boo them when they play. LOL
"We will play man to man and we will pick you up at the airport." - Larry Brown
Rebel10 wrote:If I was June and I saw Mike Leach clean my clock like what was done then I had to go to plan B players I would have said the same thing if not worse about the the recruiting services. When you are competing against UNT and Wyoming for recruits you have to say something that makes you and your staff not look like you were reaching. He complains about a 5 star QB going to a BCS that he would not have offered but what is his track record in offering QB's the past few years? Let's win some recruiting battles on multiple recruits against some other BCS schools this year. When we hit the BE all the talk will be over and we will see how he does against them. I think next year is somewhat of a lame duck year myself. We will see how we he has recruited when we play in 2014 IMO.
I don't view the upcoming season as a lame duck year. We can win CUSA next year.
"We will play man to man and we will pick you up at the airport." - Larry Brown
It's interesting to see how people think - some people are skeptical and will look at the data to reach conclusions, even if they are counter to what they WANT the conclusion to be. They'll do this across all aspects of their life. Others are true believers, and will always see the outcome they want and buy off on the company line, be it SMU, politics, church, etc.
BIGT, I assume your personal attack on me was because you HATE Coach Jones. Well, hate whoever you wish. The point I tried to make earlier is that as long as Jones is the head coach on the Hilltop I wish him success. I must assume you aren't thinking about the repercussions that would follow if Jones is a failure. Let me explain. Everyone on this board should realize that we have come from one of the worst football programs in American football history (the ONLY death penalty ever - for starters). Now we are starting to receive some respectability. We are not there yet, but everything looks better. HOWEVER, next year is pivotal. If we win the CUSA Conference, for example, and go to a bowl then we will be able to get better recruits. We will need them as we go into the BE. I assume you agree so far. Well, Coach Jones has to be successful for that to happen. However, lets say coach Jones is not successful and we loose more games then we win (for example). Well, we will loose a lot of respectability and we will not be able to recruit as well as if we won. If you really hate coach Jones so much that you hope he cannot do his job and get on planes, etc. then you are also hoping SMU has a bad year next year. Not only that but, somebody with pull does like Coach Jones - thus he could be our coach for the next 7 to 8 years. If, however, he is replaced for some reason, I will support whoever is the NEW head coach at SMU. Now, I hope you will refrain from your personal attacks and think about where you want this program to go. I personally hope everyone on this board is sincerely backing SMU. PONY UP!
By the way, we have some really, really, really good HS players interested in us right now. One of the best receivers in Texas is related to a past player and has indicated that SMU is high on his list. There are others and, if we have a GREAT year next year, others will take notice.
Ill give him a break since he is our coach, got us in the BE which is worth 10-12 MILLION dollars EVERY SINGLE YEAR!!!! And also since we are on our third bowl game in three years after 25 yrs of nada.
Should he get top 25 recruiting classes, win our conference and get into a BCS game, then i will not only give him a break but will lick his shoes.
we were all frustrated by the ASU thing and also by our RC bolting with 8 of our favorite recruits. Its been covered. It is time to ease off - he knows what we need to do to get to the next level a lot better then any of you hacks.
gostangs wrote:Ill give him a break since he is our coach, got us in the BE which is worth 10-12 MILLION dollars EVERY SINGLE YEAR!!!! And also since we are on our third bowl game in three years after 25 yrs of nada.
Should he get top 25 recruiting classes, win our conference and get into a BCS game, then i will not only give him a break but will lick his shoes.
we were all frustrated by the ASU thing and also by our RC bolting with 8 of our favorite recruits. Its been covered. It is time to ease off - he knows what we need to do to get to the next level a lot better then any of you hacks.
Clearly June doesn't know much about getting us to the next level otherwise we wouldn't be lagging so far behind several other in-state schools in recruiting and on the field. June's record against Tech, A&M, TCU and Houston is 1-10.
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Rebel10 wrote:If I was June and I saw Mike Leach clean my clock like what was done then I had to go to plan B players I would have said the same thing if not worse about the the recruiting services. When you are competing against UNT and Wyoming for recruits you have to say something that makes you and your staff not look like you were reaching. He complains about a 5 star QB going to a BCS that he would not have offered but what is his track record in offering QB's the past few years? Let's win some recruiting battles on multiple recruits against some other BCS schools this year. When we hit the BE all the talk will be over and we will see how he does against them. I think next year is somewhat of a lame duck year myself. We will see how we he has recruited when we play in 2014 IMO.
I don't view the upcoming season as a lame duck year. We can win CUSA next year.
I wouldn't exactly consider playing A&M, Baylor, TCU plus the 2 schools in CUSA that are going to the Big East a lame duck year, regardless of the conference we are in. If we do well against those 5, it would be pretty memorable & BCS-worthy to me.
I disagree. I think next year matters more then most other years. We need the momentum of winning as we go into a bigger and better conference. We also need to get some 4 and 5 star recruits. For that reason alone winning is VERY important.
I am not saying it does not matter but it will just be a lame duck year. Jones has already said that it will be a drop off year so he may take this year and experiment with players and try different things since he has set every up to believe it is a drop off year. So since we are heading it into the BE we might use this as a transition year ie lame duck year.
