If we win the conference next year...

[East Coast Mustang]

yup

I figured that would shut you up.

[Rebel10]

What about the current reality that JJ's offense has not performed well. What about the reality that JJ has stated himself "I really think I'm the only Coach since the Death Penalty that's been given an opportunity to truly be on a level playing field" Coach June Jones

I think some deify JJ to the point that he is beyond any criticism or concern. Couchem is absolutely correct in his comments. People have a right to be concerned.

[East Coast Mustang]

What about the current reality that JJ's offense has not performed well. What about the reality that JJ has stated himself "I really think I'm the only Coach since the Death Penalty that's been given an opportunity to truly be on a level playing field" Coach June Jones

I think some deify JJ to the point that he is beyond any criticism or concern. Couchem is absolutely correct in his comments. People have a right to be concerned.

I think there were some issues at QB this year- no one was complaining about the offense when we were 5-1 and hung 40 beating TCU, but then McDermott was hurt and his performance obviously suffered. After a month to get healthy, he played well in the bowl game.

I'm not sure what the alternative is- you want to fire June and pay him some massive buyout? Who are we going to get that's better? Ron Meyer isn't walking through that door...

[SMU 86]

What about the current reality that JJ's offense has not performed well. What about the reality that JJ has stated himself "I really think I'm the only Coach since the Death Penalty that's been given an opportunity to truly be on a level playing field" Coach June Jones

I think some deify JJ to the point that he is beyond any criticism or concern. Couchem is absolutely correct in his comments. People have a right to be concerned.

I think there were some issues at QB this year- no one was complaining about the offense when we were 5-1 and hung 40 beating TCU, but then McDermott was hurt and his performance obviously suffered. After a month to get healthy, he played well in the bowl game.

I'm not sure what the alternative is- you want to fire June and pay him some massive buyout? Who are we going to get that's better? Ron Meyer isn't walking through that door...

While I do believe we win CUSA next year (not a lame duck year at all) I do believe that there is a legit concern over our future recruiting. With Klemm and Reinebold gone I think that is a legit concern regarding recruiting and people should not be attacked because of it. We just have to see what hire is made to replace Reinebold and see how the staff does. Our first 5 commits should give us an indication of how this staff does. But the concern is legit.

[alyssa]

I'm not a JJ hater but I'm still ready to move on to someone better based on his actions or lack thereof.

Recruiting. It frustrates me.

[SMUer]

Sorry he hasn't met your "minimum set of expectations," though. Perhaps you yearn for the days of the WAC, going 3-8, and hosting San Jose State on Saturdays? Get a grip, the guy saved this program, no one else was crazy enough to take the job or had the name recognition to step in and do what he has in such a short amount of time. We're going to the [deleted] Big East next year. Think about that for a second. The Big East. What he's been able to accomplish in four years for the future of our athletic department and university as a whole has been remarkable, your "minimum set of expectations" be damned.

Other Reality:
1) 70 of 119 FBS schools play in a bowl game (58.8%).
2) SMU came within 1 yard, twice, of guaranteeing itself a bowl in 2006, and had the same record as June had when he got us to the Hawaii bowl in his second year, with a significantly higher limitation on recruits it could pursuit/admit. If there were the same number of bowls as there are today, we probably break our bowl drought in 2006. In 2005 we had 5 wins, also beat TCU, again, with significantly higher limitations.
3) June has never beaten Houston nor Navy, and hasn't beat UTEP once in El Paso
4) June is 4 for 12 in non-conference, two of those wins coming over FCS schools and one win over one of the worst teams in the FBS at that time, WSU.
5) CUSA is the 3rd or 4th weakest conference and yet June hasn't had a Top 10 passing offense yet.
6) SMU hasn't nearly matched the production of his Hawaii offenses, even in his most pedestrian years
7) We haven't admitted a single 4-star athlete we've signed
8 ) We haven't pulled in a Top 50 class despite being located in a Top 10 recruitment hotbed

Where you won't get an argument out of me is the fact that SMU would never have been considered for a BCS conference had it not been for our consistent 6-7 wins seasons and the commitment to winning that we showed when we hired June. But when I look above, I don't see "job well done", I see "work still left to be done" because we have a lot of sub-goals that we have yet to accomplish, which we should have already checked off. I think June was the right hire at the right time and I'm glad he's our coach but he hurt our ability to recruit with how ASU was handled and when he did it (not the fact that he pursued it), turned in some real clunkers as far as game plan/prep at USM, Tulsa and Navy and hasn't shown a lot of vigor in recruiting. Count me concerned and hoping for improvement. You can damn my expectations all you want but I expect to beat Navy most of the time, Houston some of the time and UTEP always. SMU is/should be that good. If you don't believe that, you have a lower opinion of SMU than I do.

[East Coast Mustang]

Sorry he hasn't met your "minimum set of expectations," though. Perhaps you yearn for the days of the WAC, going 3-8, and hosting San Jose State on Saturdays? Get a grip, the guy saved this program, no one else was crazy enough to take the job or had the name recognition to step in and do what he has in such a short amount of time. We're going to the [deleted] Big East next year. Think about that for a second. The Big East. What he's been able to accomplish in four years for the future of our athletic department and university as a whole has been remarkable, your "minimum set of expectations" be damned.

Other Reality:
1) 70 of 119 FBS schools play in a bowl game (58.8%).
2) SMU came within 1 yard, twice, of guaranteeing itself a bowl in 2006, and had the same record as June had when he got us to the Hawaii bowl in his second year, with a significantly higher limitation on recruits it could pursuit/admit. If there were the same number of bowls as there are today, we probably break our bowl drought in 2006. In 2005 we had 5 wins, also beat TCU, again, with significantly higher limitations.
3) June has never beaten Houston nor Navy, and hasn't beat UTEP once in El Paso
4) June is 4 for 12 in non-conference, two of those wins coming over FCS schools and one win over one of the worst teams in the FBS at that time, WSU.
5) CUSA is the 3rd or 4th weakest conference and yet June hasn't had a Top 10 passing offense yet.
6) SMU hasn't nearly matched the production of his Hawaii offenses, even in his most pedestrian years
7) We haven't admitted a single 4-star athlete we've signed
8 ) We haven't pulled in a Top 50 class despite being located in a Top 10 recruitment hotbed

Where you won't get an argument out of me is the fact that SMU would never have been considered for a BCS conference had it not been for our consistent 6-7 wins seasons and the commitment to winning that we showed when we hired June. But when I look above, I don't see "job well done", I see "work still left to be done" because we have a lot of sub-goals that we yet to accomplish, which we should have. I think June was the right hire at the right time and I'm glad he's our coach but he hurt our ability to recruit with how ASU was handled and when he did it (not the fact that he pursued it), turned in some real clunkers as far as game plan/prep at USM, Tulsa and Navy and hasn't shown a lot of vigor in recruiting. Count me concerned and hoping for improvement. You can damn my expectations all you want but I expect to beat Navy most of the time, Houston some of the time and UTEP always. SMU is/should be that good.

Ok, but it doesn't always happen overnight. We'd had losing seasons since the death penalty and he's strung together 3 straight winning seasons. The momentum going forward is encouraging. Yes, the recruiting this year was disappointing to some extent- but you've got to see how those guys pan out before you can really bash him- but I agree that it seemed like he was lax on recruiting effort this season. That being said, I think we brought in some guys who are going to be special- Burcham, Stewart, Richard, Neroes, to name a few. And you can't fire a guy just because he didn't recruit well one year- but if we're 4-8 in the Big East in 2015, I'll be singing a different tune.

[Comet]

A top-50 2013 recruiting ranking + a Conference championship appearance is enough for me to stay in his camp.

[SMU 86]

Let's hope all the 2012 get admitted to SMU. If they all get admitted then that would be the best news possible. Things change if some key players do not get admitted. If we are 4-8 in 2013 or 2014 you should be singing a different tune IMO.

[SMUer]

I agree with you in another place...I really like this recruiting class. I too was disappointed when we lost some of the CA recruits but the guys that we do have are bigger, faster than any class before and several look like they have the talent to be just as good or better than our biggest stars we have now. If that pans out, that's a pretty good class. Most classes only have one or two stars in them. I think we have 5-6.

[mustangxc]

Sorry he hasn't met your "minimum set of expectations," though. Perhaps you yearn for the days of the WAC, going 3-8, and hosting San Jose State on Saturdays? Get a grip, the guy saved this program, no one else was crazy enough to take the job or had the name recognition to step in and do what he has in such a short amount of time. We're going to the [deleted] Big East next year. Think about that for a second. The Big East. What he's been able to accomplish in four years for the future of our athletic department and university as a whole has been remarkable, your "minimum set of expectations" be damned.

Other Reality:
1) 70 of 119 FBS schools play in a bowl game (58.8%).
2) SMU came within 1 yard, twice, of guaranteeing itself a bowl in 2006, and had the same record as June had when he got us to the Hawaii bowl in his second year, with a significantly higher limitation on recruits it could pursuit/admit. If there were the same number of bowls as there are today, we probably break our bowl drought in 2006. In 2005 we had 5 wins, also beat TCU, again, with significantly higher limitations.
3) June has never beaten Houston nor Navy, and hasn't beat UTEP once in El Paso
4) June is 4 for 12 in non-conference, two of those wins coming over FCS schools and one win over one of the worst teams in the FBS at that time, WSU.
5) CUSA is the 3rd or 4th weakest conference and yet June hasn't had a Top 10 passing offense yet.
6) SMU hasn't nearly matched the production of his Hawaii offenses, even in his most pedestrian years
7) We haven't admitted a single 4-star athlete we've signed
8 ) We haven't pulled in a Top 50 class despite being located in a Top 10 recruitment hotbed

Where you won't get an argument out of me is the fact that SMU would never have been considered for a BCS conference had it not been for our consistent 6-7 wins seasons and the commitment to winning that we showed when we hired June. But when I look above, I don't see "job well done", I see "work still left to be done" because we have a lot of sub-goals that we have yet to accomplish, which we should have already checked off. I think June was the right hire at the right time and I'm glad he's our coach but he hurt our ability to recruit with how ASU was handled and when he did it (not the fact that he pursued it), turned in some real clunkers as far as game plan/prep at USM, Tulsa and Navy and hasn't shown a lot of vigor in recruiting. Count me concerned and hoping for improvement. You can damn my expectations all you want but I expect to beat Navy most of the time, Houston some of the time and UTEP always. SMU is/should be that good. If you don't believe that, you have a lower opinion of SMU than I do.

We were 6-6 in 2006 and 7-5 in 2009 8-5 after the Hawaii bowl. Winning matters.