Did JJ sign a new, 7 year extension?

[Rebel10]

I think what Calallen is saying is that JJ was on SMU's dime while offering an ASU scholarship.

[JonesDoe]

I think what Calallen is saying is that JJ was on SMU's dime while offering an ASU scholarship.

Whoa Pony, you are intensifying the error of Calallen and implying JJ was offering Scholarships... Jones did not have that authority at ASU..

All of the recruiting experts should realize the actual words you use in the recruiting game can be used to hold you personally liable. So if you are interested in a recruit you must leave plenty of latitude for the unknown with any enforceable promise.

[CalallenStang]

Jones knew, everyone knew, he was gone to Arizona State. Then ASU amazingly does an about face, breaks a handshake agreement, and leaves June red faced holding the bag.

June did what we EXPECT everyone else to do. He just jumped the gun. So he gets the hit for not waiting until the ink was on the paper, a mistake 99 out of 100 of us would have made. He's apologized and is making his amends, including changing his public wardrobe for the fashion plates out there.

What else do you expect from the man who singlehandedly saved SMU football from extinction?

You don't start work for your new employer until you sign the contract and resign your current position. Period.

The fact that you think so many people would have done the same thing tells me a little about your personal code of ethics.

I appreciate what he has done here, but I do not support the decision to reward unethical behavior (with an intent to harm my alma mater) by continuing to employ him in a position that allows him to shape the minds of young people who will represent SMU during and after their time on the Hilltop.

Calallen, you must be talking about when JJ told Holloway he would have a spot for him at ASU.

That's one of the players I am talking about. Another is a guy who committed to ASU when it appeared that June would go there, then changed his commitment after they backed off of hiring June.

[JonesDoe]

Haering Age 66
Morrison 63
Palcic 62
Saun 60

None of these guys get off their [deleted] and recruit. Fact-none of them get the job done on the recruiting trail. SMU's Coaching Staff averages 56 years old. 6 out of 9* Coaches are 56 or older. This staff averages 10-15 years more than other Texas football staffs. If you think these guys are going to miraculously hit the recruiting trail and get commitments from 18 year olds then you are about to get disappointed again.

* I forgot Frank Ganz,Jr but who the hell cares-we know he doesn't bother to recruit anyway so why bother. I read hundreds of recruiting reports of SMU recruits since he's been here and I honestly can't remember a single recruit who even mentioned his name

Wow Stallion thought you would have at least considered ADEA......

Stallion would not make a successful recruiter.... He would defer to Scout and Rivals and in doing so would be spending all his time online considering what the experts who rely on various local opinions and stats say and spend all their time. Stalllion belittles Jones for his networking decisions and his coaches for their age. Stallion expects SMU coaches to recruit higher than their reputation among recruits all while he is doing everything he can to drag SMU Team and Coaching down.

Does Stallion know any High School coaches? Does Stallion know any High School players? Does Stallion know enough of the two to have the actual knowledge to sign a better recruit himself than an experienced coaching staff? If he actually does Mora would have probably considered him when selecting his dream team.

If Stallion was pushed to put his money where his mouth is he would lock up and say I don't bet except on the number of losses SMU will have....

[CalallenStang]

You don't know anything about my personal ethics, Calallen, and it's not a good idea to jump to conclusions. I'm trying to follow the reasoning on this board for those who are still mad at June. Thanks for working with me.

So we know beyond all reasonable doubt that June recruited for ASU while still employed at SMU. There's no room for doubt. And we know that it's a serious ethical lapse to have done so.

So what do we do from here? What do you expect from SMU and from Coach Jones?

Before you answer, though, how much of your answer is based on hurt feelings that he'd consider leaving -- and how much on the actual crime? In other words, how much is just injured pride?

First paragraph - You're right, and I apologize

I harbor no ill will towards June for looking at the ASU opportunity. Some on this board do, but I understand that coaching is a profession, and like any profession, there will be opportunities that come up at a competitor that are worth exploring. Hey, if I were in June's shoes, coaching at a school that's not my alma mater and another job came open at a higher-profile school, I would give it a serious look as well. In other words, none of what follows is based upon my feelings being hurt that he would look at another job - I have no problem with that whatsoever.

Had June been up front about it, I would have been willing to say "let's forgive and move on." But, instead, he effectively denied any wrongdoing at the MC meeting ("Overhead-Projector-Gate").

Given that June's highest-priority job responsibility is to be a good example for our SMU student-athletes and mold them into people of inward and outward excellence, I cannot help but feel that June's actions have run counter to what he was hired to do.

Therefore, I expected Steve Orsini to work out a deal whereby June "retired" or took another job (with his buyout waived) in order to allow both June and SMU to move on.

Of course, Orsini did not take this action.

So what do we do now, as Mustang fans? We go to games and cheer on the student-athletes, because they are still playing for us. But, we continue to stand up for our school's standards. We demand excellence of our decision makers and we continue to do so until the situation is rectified.

[ponyboy]

Good post. I guess what it comes down to is that I'm willing to avoid passing judgment on whether June did or didn't offer recruits to ASU while he was still our coach. Sounds like he probably did, but probably ain't good enough for me if I'm planning a lynching. But I'm naive and trust people, so there you go.

[Dark Horse]

Can we all grow up and frigging forgive the guy who coaches our team? Glad to hear about the extension.

This ^^^

[sbsmith]

Can we all grow up and frigging forgive the guy who coaches our team? Glad to hear about the extension.

This ^^^

Unless that extension has a hefty buyout it won't keep him from going anywhere.

[redpony]

Nor will it keep us from telling him to pack his bags and get out. Especially if we don't have a championship next year.

GO PONIES!!!

[Mountain Mustang]

Nor will it keep us from telling him to pack his bags and get out. Especially if we don't have a championship next year.

GO PONIES!!!

But if we do win a championship then what? You're implying that what he did is ok if we win. Where are your ethical standards?? "Pack your bags and get out, unless of course you can take us to the promised land."

The height of hypocrisy.

[Mountain Mustang]

What amazes me is some are so quick to condemn Jones for what he "allegedly" did.

The way I look at it, we hired a coach who as far as I know had no moral issues during his previous coaching positions. He had no issues when he was coach here up until the ASU situation. By all accounts Jones has been an ethical person in his life and career up to this point. THen all of the sudden an extraordinary situation arises, some things look fishy and people fly off the deep end questioning Jones morals and whether he's fit to mold the minds of young men, paraphrasing Calallen.

Circumstantial evidence doesn't hold up in court and it shouldn't here either. If Jones did sit down with recruits during the negotiating with ASU not one of us on this board knows definitively what he said. We can look at the effects, but can't be 100% sure of the cause. You have to make a leap of faith to get there, and in doing so you're condemning a man who up to this point has given you zero reason to do so.

[goldenstang]

Some craziness going on in here. Either June recruited for ASU or Christian holloway is a liar. I am choosing to believe the young man.

[Mountain Mustang]

Two sides to every story. Holloway said Jones told him he was going to take him with him to ASU. What has Jones said about this? Look I'm not trying to rehash something that's been mulled over a thousand times on here but there are two sides to every story. If it was good enough for Orsini its good enough for me, and I think we should move forward.

[couch 'em]

Two sides to every story. Holloway said Jones told him he was going to take him with him to ASU. What has Jones said about this? Look I'm not trying to rehash something that's been mulled over a thousand times on here but there are two sides to every story.

Jones said he was never offered the job and had no interest. His own agent and all news media contradict the Jones story.

[78pony]

Now this, to me - spirited discussion - is what makes a fan board worth it.