SMUer wrote:I don't know...the logo isn't offensive, it doesn't portray anything negative about the Sioux man, their original mascot was the flickertail squirrel (can you blame them for changing it), and they chose the Sioux because the Sioux hunted Bison and their rival is the North Dakota State Bison. Do Creole/Cajuns get bent out of shape because of UL-Lafayette's nickname? Nope.
I can't speak for Cajuns or Creoles. They have to speak for themselves. Only Sioux should use themselves and no one else. Frisco changed from Coons to Raccoons fast because it offended black people. Black people have a lot of power to take up for themselves so that's good but Indian peoples are lost in the small numbers and such. The image was an animal and not a human. You don't see that happening much for Indian peoples. I'm glad DISD changed in the mid-90's. Apaches became Timberwolves. But hey, I'm going for a ride in my Murcielago, so later.
mrydel wrote:I think Washington DC would be a good place to start this argument. I think they have a professional football team there.
Yes, sir. Indians have tried. And that "R" word is the worst word one can call us. It is the nastiest, most racist word against us. I gotta go. I'm not mad at anyone here and I am not fighting with anyone here but one shouldn't use other's races. There was a line in "Indian In the Cupboard" movie where the kid said something about you can't use people. Indians do come to SMU football games in case anyone has not noticed. Anyway, my Murcielago awaits me. Later.
I respect your feelings and sympathize with your personal plights, but think the NCAA is out of line trying to legislate certain areas that best be handled elsewhere.
All those who believe in psycho kinesis, raise my hand
We have 100 year old Native Americans at our football games?!? No wonder SMU feels it doesn't need a marketing department! "Well, if they're here, everyone else must know too."
mrydel wrote:I respect your feelings and sympathize with your personal plights, but think the NCAA is out of line trying to legislate certain areas that best be handled elsewhere.
Thanks. Honestly, it's hard to go on about it because it's traumatic thinking about it all. It's given me a bad headache because the whole thing and how it's tied to the past is upsetting. I believe it should start with individuals. An individual should know better than to do things that hurt others. In that world there would be no laws to tell people what is wrong or right. There was even a protest at a super bowl but I'm sure many never noticed or cared because they are probably desensitised and it probably doesn't concern them.
alyssa wrote:I can't speak for Cajuns or Creoles. They have to speak for themselves. Only Sioux should use themselves and no one else.
You are not a Sioux are you? I read your posts and I got the impression that you are not, so I apologize if I am wrong.
If you let the Cajuns and Creoles to speak for themselves, then why don't you let the Sioux speak for themselves?
Apparently nobody is listening to the Sioux who aren't offended.
North Dakota challenged the NCAA edict in court. In a settlement, the school agreed to begin retiring its nickname if it could not obtain consent to continue its use from North Dakota's Standing Rock and Spirit Lake Sioux tribes by Nov. 30, 2010.
Spirit Lake tribal members endorsed the name. But the Standing Rock Sioux's tribal council, which opposed the nickname, has declined to support it or to allow its tribal members to vote.
Current supporters of the nickname and petition drive include members of both the Spirit Lake and Standing Rock Sioux tribes.
My other alma mater is William and Mary. It was chartered in part to educate the indiginous peoples of Virginia in 1693. Last time I checked that meant native americans or "indians". For about 100 years William and Mary's nickname was the "Indians". That was not PC, so they adopted the name "Tribe" and left a feather in the Logo to commemorate the College's Native American heritage. The NCAA said that if you keep the feather you shall not be eligible to host any NCAA championship event. Given that W&M has been ranked many years in the top 10 in FCS, that was a major issue. So W&M took the feather out of its logo and got rid of its Native American mascots in favor of the Griffin.
To Alyssa. If you ever want to talk about running sports I know a little. My wife competed in track but not at your elite level but that's how I met her because I worked a job that put me in contact with athletes. I can't find your races or interviews on vimeo or youtube anymore. They must be removed. I can't believe how you were so shy in an interview after winning a race. In the race you were badass and grabbed it by the throat and in the interview you were barely audible and shy. But my wife and our 2 adopted sons like to run so maybe the boys will really get into it. One is Japanese and the other is Cherokee and so you seem to make me think about things.I will contact you if you have your email or PM on soon.Or if you even come back . JB.
No Quarter wrote:Might have been better had the new ND law stated they would change when Florida State did, but I'm for ND also.
FSU received a signed release from the local tribes in Florida to use the tribal name which means they do not have to change their name. NDU can only get one of the two local tribes to sign.
alyssa wrote:Is that what this "sues" is about? Race? Don't use our RACE against US. As an American Indian person I am against any sports team using us as mascots (pets). I still get racial slurs used against me today, as do many of my tribal members. In cross country running when Mary or I was out winning the race there were many people that would yell "Hey Indian ____." And then throw rocks at us. Or shoot glass at us with sling shots. I still have a couple of little scratches on my legs from the glass shot at us. Many other things happened to us. No one would correct the cruel behaviour though, because we are "Injuns". Just like when I split open the bottom of my right foot when I was little running through a field and stepping on something I did not get to go to hospital because I was Indian. "Indians don't get to go to the hospital." Today, there are Indian hospitals. I stand for not using any race of person as a mascot. I prefer not using any human being as a mascot. "Cowboys," for example, is a profession and not a race. You have to know what all mascot really means because you can't just pull out a dictionary and learn about everything it really means at least when you are dealing with different cultures and translating and so on. I wrote an unpublished book about all this that I can teach from. I don't have plans to publish it. I just pass it on to the young tribal members. And believe me this Indian mascot thing really hurts the children seeing themselves portrayed as mascots in a very profoundly negative way where usually at about age 10 they take a downward spiral and stop producing in life such as school work and social interactions with others.
Go to youtube and search Wichita language. There is an aljazeeraenglish news report that means a lot to me. Ms McClemore speaks in it. And it's so true. I speak fluent native languages but my cousins children, for example, who just signed to play sports at universities can only understand me and then struggle to put together mixed english and native languages to speak back. The great-great grandchildren (of my grandparents) are not even hearing our native languages enough to learn them. All this comes from..........yeah.
One of my interests is studying crimes. So I've studied medicine, criminology and so on. One of my 1930's crime scene photos is of an American Indian man who was skinned. The skin lying on a table is the crime scene photo. Someone used him as a mascot. They skinwalked him. He was a mascot. It is still an unsolved crime. Who (probably murdered) and skinned this man to dress in his skin as an American Indian mascot? It is known that he was worn as a mascot. One thing I like a lot about the University of North Texas is the forensic science department they have to help solve crimes.
If this is not about the Sioux being used as mascots it sure seems like it. I thought this kind of stuff about race and all was not to be allowed. If we were black people this would not be happening to us because the black people have power and past success in standing up for themselves. An example, the Cleveland MLB team with it's offensive smiling face Indian would not be allowed if it were black faced because that would be an offensive sambo to them.
So tiring that so many people still don't get it. One thing being Indian has made one is rich. One can sell 1 acre in prime area for $2 million. One has a lot of prime land. But hey, I'm really a nice person even though it doesn't sound so now just because I will take up for American Indians who are dying off as time goes on.
Are you on crack?
No I'm not on crack. Those are things I learned from others and personal experiences. I believe in not using peoples. The Sioux should be used by the Sioux only. As an American I find it offensive when other countries mock us or burn our flag. I know a lot of people hate me or make fun of me for being Indian and what I believe. A few years ago some linguists asked me to record one of the languages that I know fluently because it's just about to disappear. The bottom line is not to use another's race and such.
mrydel wrote:I think Washington DC would be a good place to start this argument. I think they have a professional football team there.
Yes, sir. Indians have tried. And that "R" word is the worst word one can call us. It is the nastiest, most racist word against us. I gotta go. I'm not mad at anyone here and I am not fighting with anyone here but one shouldn't use other's races. There was a line in "Indian In the Cupboard" movie where the kid said something about you can't use people. Indians do come to SMU football games in case anyone has not noticed. Anyway, my Murcielago awaits me. Later.
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