5 Players Failed Feb 1 Drug Test

[Junior]

will you please explain why you put any more faith in the number 5 than any other number? this number comes from an unnamed FWST source. what makes them any more credible than brock tanner who told the undercover cop that most of his teammates do drugs regularly?

what do we know about this drug test to begin with? was it professionally administered? was it one of those OTC tests from Walgreens?

i'm not saying 82 is right, nor am I saying 5 is right. all this will play out over time (possibly), but just because one unnamed source is saying 5 doesn't make me think that this is being overblown.

[Top Twenty]

Hmmm, my well-placed TCU sources are saying that the actual number was between 60 and 70. They can minimize all they want right now, but I bet this real number ultimately surfaces.

[Stallion]

NBC just reported 86 TCU players tested negative

[SMUer]

likely the same source as the one saying only 5 were positives, another 11 positive within error margin...not saying it's wrong but I don't think it's new info. this number was reported earlier this morning.

[SMUer]

how many players can be on a team, 90-ish, several without scholarships?

So 4 players are dealers, the 5 positive tests (some say dealers included, some not), 11 positives but within error range...so 16-20 positives, 11 which may or may not be false positives, 86 negatives...so there are between 102-106 "players" that were tested?...Hmmmm

[SMUer]

likely the same source as the one saying only 5 were positives, another 11 positive within error margin...not saying it's wrong but I don't think it's new info. this number was reported earlier this morning.

But it's happy happy news for some, so there's a need to share.

Total spin job...

True. Gary Patterson Underwear

[SMUer]

What exactly did TCU do that is so commendable? Prepare a Press Release? Tell the police, "sure you can pursue major drug dealers on campus"? Up-hold their Student Conduct policy? Conduct a secret drug test and seemingly do nothing with it? Call to attention a made-up epidemic of drug dealers?

[ThisIsOurTime]

What exactly did TCU do that is so commendable? Prepare a Press Release? Tell the police, "sure you can pursue major drug dealers on campus"? Up-hold their Student Conduct policy? Conduct a secret drug test and seemingly do nothing with it? Call to attention a made-up epidemic of drug dealers?

This is what TCU did. I will leave it up to you to decide whether you think it is commendable or not as that can be subjective depending on the person.

1. TCU led the drug investigation. They asked for help with the FWPD to conduct the drug investigation which spanned 6 months. This investigation was begun after hearing reports from some concerned parents of students at the school.
2. Upon finding out the results of the investigation, TCU immediately dismissed the 17 students (including 4 football players) from the university. They are criminally barred from entering the campus again. It has been said that if the former students are convicted, they will be expelled. This honors the innocent until proven guilty by a court of law bit.
3. TCU football had a surprise inspection of the football team on national signing day after hearing from a recruit that he had chosen to go elsewhere because he thought TCU football had a drug problem or words to that effect. This drug test is not required by the NCAA as there are other times where the NCAA normally tests but those are scheduled. It is highly unlikely the players were tipped of in any way because of the timeline. In addition, Brock and Johnson were clearly surprised by the drug test based on their comments made to the undercover police officer.
4. The results of the drug test had been kept private until the article you have read today where the 5 players tested positive for marijuana. Other drugs were tested for but only marijuana was found. This was 5 out of 86 players being tested.
5. Any punishments regarding the results of that test have not been made public. However, this information is usually kept quiet by universities because of the privacy issues involved and potential legal liability. TCU has taken a similar stance in the past with non-drug related issues as well with regard to disclosure of specific reasons for holding out players, suspensions, etc.

I think the question you have to ask yourself if you feel that TCU did not do enough, is what else should they have done? Or if SMU was in the same situation, how do you feel they would have handled it? TCU could have tried to cover up or ignore the situation like at Baylor, OSU or PSU, etc. after hearing rumors but instead actively led a drug bust and a surprise drug test.

[SMUer]

1. Define "lead". Like initiated or tipped? Isn't that what a school does when it suspects major crimes on its campus. Wouldn't not doing this be...negligence?
2. The treatment of suspected students honored their Conduct policy...honoring your own policy...good job.
3. GP's discression decided to have team drug tested, results private, no known reprocusions from said test...positives not immediately brought before school...so what if it's not required...my high school coach ordered one for my team...and coaches do it all the time...he didn't tip off the team? well bravo, that would defeat the point of a surprise test wouldn't it? anything else would be manipulating the results and...bad
4. I read only marijuana was tested, no matter, it was GP's call and not required. The 5 positives and 11, still positives, but within the margin of error counts 16 positives. This is one in-named source. I'll give it he benefit of the doubt but other sources and affidavits say much higher.
5. If punishments are private, why is could we praise them. Something or nothing could have been done, we don't know and likely won't.

I didn't say TCU didn't do enough - they behaved exactly how I would expect them to. I would hope SMU would respond the same. But just because you do what you are supposed to do, doesn't mean you deserve to be lauded or praised. Anything less than above would be a big and possibly criminal disappointment for me as an alumni.

[ThisIsOurTime]

1. Define "lead". Like initiated or tipped? Isn't that what a school does when it suspects major crimes on its campus. Wouldn't not doing this be...negligence?
2. The treatment of suspected students honored their Conduct policy...honoring your own policy...good job.
3. GP's discression decided to have team drug tested, results private, no known reprocusions from said test...positives not immediately brought before school...so what if it's not required...my high school coach ordered one for my team...and coaches do it all the time...he didn't tip off the team? well bravo, that would defeat the point of a surprise test wouldn't it? anything else would be manipulating the results and...bad
4. I read only marijuana was tested, no matter, it was GP's call and not required. The 5 positives and 11, still positives, but within the margin of error counts 16 positives. This is one in-named source. I'll give it he benefit of the doubt but other sources and affidavits say much higher.
5. If punishments are private, why is could we praise them. Something or nothing could have been done, we don't know and likely won't.

I didn't say TCU didn't do enough - they behaved exactly how I would expect them to. I would hope SMU would respond the same. But just because you do what you are supposed to do, doesn't mean you deserve to be lauded or praised. Anything less than above would be a big and possibly criminal disappointment for me as an alumni.

I have since read a number of your other posts and regret having responded to your post. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed your question could be sincere. It turns out it wasn't based on your other posts I have read and also your response to this one. You clearly have an axe to grind and hope you come to terms with that at some point. Hate is baggage and it will only weigh you down.

[SMUer]

Blah blah blah

You had bad guys on your team, you got caught, I have a family with TCU grads...you're not so great or holier than us

You're on a SMU board, full of SMU fans, I don't need to be chided for having a laugh when your board would and has done the same...rivalries are great, embrace it! Have fun! I personally welcome it at our expense on your board.

[goldenstang]

I will say that the anonymous source that talked to the FWST was probably high. No way on any football team in the USA above middle school will you get only 5 people testing positive for marijuana. This anonymous source would have been better to keep their mouth shut. They are making it look like a big time cover up.

[gostangs]

Read the indictments. They are all on the fws website. There were numerous drugs being dealt Likelihood the football guys only smoked pot at the same time they were dealing everything else? - zero.

[Junior]

I still don't uderstand why you people put so much credence in the fact the 5 is the real number. this is reported by an UNNAMED SOURCE! hw is this anymore credible than me saying that it was 100? they'll never show proof that is was 5 or 55, but suddenly everyone seems to think that 5 is the number and people are ok with that.

everyone was up in arms over the 60-82 range, but 5 is ok. is that because everyone can name 5 people that smoke out? is it becase people find this more acceptable than 82?

if 5 is the right number, just tell me your source. tell me who can confirm 5, and how htey would be privy to such information. that's all i'm asking. you can't say "because the FWST reported it it must be the right number". that doesn't carry any weight to me. just name the source! until you do, i'm not just going to accept that 5 is correct.

[goldenstang]

Just take a trip over to the TCU board. They are taking the 5 as gospel. It just goes to show you how delusional you can be when your school is involved. I know we are guilty of it as well.