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[Cardinal Puff]

Great recruiting just can't overcome a 28 point game. Doh did his best and I am glad he was a part of SMU. Think we have stumbled in to a great situation with Larry Brown and crew as well as the alums who have stepped up.
Don't get the continual cheap shots at JJ; so many decades in the wilderness and now we have bowl games and more talent than ever showing up on our roster.
Pretty confident in football thriving in the Big East and pleasantly surprised at how the basketball program is looking to be more than competitive.

[SMU 86]

Great recruiting just can't overcome a 28 point game. Doh did his best and I am glad he was a part of SMU. Think we have stumbled in to a great situation with Larry Brown and crew as well as the alums who have stepped up.
Don't get the continual cheap shots at JJ; so many decades in the wilderness and now we have bowl games and more talent than ever showing up on our roster.
Pretty confident in football thriving in the Big East and pleasantly surprised at how the basketball program is looking to be more than competitive.

The football team does have more talent than ever to do okay in CUSA but the concern is that the talent may not be well enough to thrive in the BE.

[SMUer]

JJ is like that smart kid in the back of your class that sleeps almost the entire lesson, wakes up only enough to take the quiz, earns a 90, doesn't care, then falls back asleep. He's earned the praise sure, but based upon observed effort, he gives the impression that he's under-achieving and we could be in an ever BETTER place if he'd put forth a little more energy. Capiche?

[goldenstang]

JJ is like that smart kid in the back of your class that sleeps almost the entire lesson, wakes up only enough to take the quiz, earns a 90, doesn't care, then falls back asleep. He's earned the praise sure, but based upon observed effort, he gives the impression that he's under-achieving and we could be in an ever BETTER place if he'd put forth a little more energy. Capiche?

This pretty much sum my feelings on jj up perfectly.

[RGV Pony]

Pretty good post SMUer that hit close to home

[Dwan]

It is fascinating to me the amount that jones gets bashed on this board. While I think he has a lot of faults, I do think he has changed SMU football for the better. While we should want to take things to the next level, I think we will look back on the Jones era and say what he accomplished put us in a place to return to glory. One thing that I'm curious about, is what type of coach do the Jones haters think we could get now? To me, not much has changed in that regard, it will either be an up and coming assistant or a retread.

[couch 'em]

It is fascinating to me the amount that jones gets bashed on this board. While I think he has a lot of faults, I do think he has changed SMU football for the better. While we should want to take things to the next level, I think we will look back on the Jones era and say what he accomplished put us in a place to return to glory. One thing that I'm curious about, is what type of coach do the Jones haters think we could get now? To me, not much has changed in that regard, it will either be an up and coming assistant or a retread.

That's what they said about basketball

[Mustangsabu]

But Larry Coker went to Sam Antonio...


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[BigT3x]

I think more than anything this shows what we could do in football if we had an energized staff - instead of basically one recruiter that has been with SMU for 4 months. Starting to get very concerned about football recruting - and we have nobody in the AD slot to challenge June on his "ill get to it between rounds" attitude.

Stupid. LB is selling Big East basketball. JJ is selling Big East football.

[sbsmith]

I think more than anything this shows what we could do in football if we had an energized staff - instead of basically one recruiter that has been with SMU for 4 months. Starting to get very concerned about football recruting - and we have nobody in the AD slot to challenge June on his "ill get to it between rounds" attitude.

Stupid. LB is selling Big East basketball. JJ is selling Big East football.

June has no excuse for his poor recruiting, several of our future BE opponents are doing just fine selling BE football to their recruits. Of course it helps to have coaches that actually take recruiting seriously.

[PonyKai]

It is fascinating to me the amount that jones gets bashed on this board. While I think he has a lot of faults, I do think he has changed SMU football for the better. While we should want to take things to the next level, I think we will look back on the Jones era and say what he accomplished put us in a place to return to glory. One thing that I'm curious about, is what type of coach do the Jones haters think we could get now? To me, not much has changed in that regard, it will either be an up and coming assistant or a retread.

That's what they said about basketball

We can get a decent coach. We could have gotten a decent coach in 2008, before June emphatically showed that you can win here. Not to say landing June wasn't awesome...it was, and pretty much everyone at the time thought he was fantastic for what needed to be done. But there were other quality options available at the time, just as there will be other quality options available when Mr. Jones retires, or takes another job. This place isn't the zenith of the college football coaching industry - duh - that's pretty obvious, and there are certainly obstacles here that aren't present at some other schools, but as long as the financial commitment is there and the alumni bankrolling such a significant percentage of things on campus want to be competitive, there will be quality football candidates available.

There were also quality hoops candidates available. Simply because the ones running the search made it look like a clown show and were ridiculed nationally basically every day doesn't mean this is some cesspool, decrepit graveyard where no one will coach unless we bribe them into professional failure in exchange for financial stability. It's not perfect, and there's still a lot of work to do, but this isn't NJIT...you just have to have a guy in place who will actually call the right people.

[hoopmanx]

Exactly! Its laughable to point to the SMU hoops search and say, we can't hire a coach. The reality is that a huge portion of being a successful AD is prospecting the right talent for head coaching positions. Unless it came w/a pedigree of two decades or more, Orsini never showed any ability to target proper candidates and land them w/a competitive salary. The reality is that we never had to be turned down in hoops, whether we hired Brown or 15 other guys who are qualified head coaches. We were turned down b/c our search list was clown shoes.

A fear I have moving forward is how long can a school like SMU, overpay to the point of absurdity? That is a huge portion of Orsini's legacy. The whole he got us Brown/Jones schtick is comical, cause Joe Blow could have gotten those guys w/that loot and a bag full of admin promises.

Honestly, hoops just made a hire, but where is the stability again? Brown is gone in a few and w/him will go Howard, possibly ulric. Hell, Howard only came to SMU cause Brown promised a shot in the NBA in a few years. The stark reality is that inside 3 years(just guessing), we'll have Jank and that's probably it. All of the sudden, the program will start to look and feel like it did pre-Brown, other than some talent that Brown accrued. Not hating on Jank, but IF this was a legit search process centered on up'n'coming coaching talent, he wouldn't have been a top 5 candidate. In essence that's the legacy here, the HCIW.

[PonyKai]

Scott Sutton is an example, just one of many, of a coach that certainly doesn't have the pedigree of a Brown or even a Jones, but with financial support and proper infrastructure would have been (in my meaningless opinion) a very good hire for what we need to do, and that's build a successful, high level basketball program from the ground floor up. He's an example of a less-heralded guy, but still a young and quality coaching prospect who would have been able to put together a very solid staff with the booster support here.

The purpose isn't to hate on Brown and co. or June, because one it's pointless, and two it really isn't warranted. It's just to show that despite the fact we aren't the most plum job in all the land, there are quality options out there (some who weren't even called) who would be thrilled to coach here and would genuinely want the position as well. You just need the right people in place to make it happen. The prospects of landing said decent coaching prospect have only improved with the facilities, the conference jump, and the loosening of crippling restrictions that suffocated multiple staffs over nearly two decades. Yeah, the Big East won't have AQ status, and yes, LB might only be here a couple years, and yes, June hasn't won a conference title yet and hasn't hit 10 wins. Quality options were available five years ago, and June's success here while employing a unique (i.e. not really used) system offense, and not burning up the recruiting trail (being objective here), and he's shown that yeah, winning is possible, AND there's even the potential of getting a better job, at least if Lisa Love is on the other end of the phone. TCU has taken it so much further, but it's good for us to have goals.

[SMU89]

I think more than anything this shows what we could do in football if we had an energized staff - instead of basically one recruiter that has been with SMU for 4 months. Starting to get very concerned about football recruting - and we have nobody in the AD slot to challenge June on his "ill get to it between rounds" attitude.

Stupid. LB is selling Big East basketball. JJ is selling Big East football.

June has no excuse for his poor recruiting, several of our future BE opponents are doing just fine selling BE football to their recruits. Of course it helps to have coaches that actually take recruiting seriously.

Wikipedia

Coach Ron Meyer came to SMU in 1976 after his success as an assistant with the Dallas Cowboys in the 1970s (including a Super Bowl win) and a stint with UNLV. Coach Meyer was infamous for his recruiting tactics, including visits each year to the homes of an unprecedented 70 or more of the top recruits per year.

[ponyscott]

Exactly! Its laughable to point to the SMU hoops search and say, we can't hire a coach. The reality is that a huge portion of being a successful AD is prospecting the right talent for head coaching positions. Unless it came w/a pedigree of two decades or more, Orsini never showed any ability to target proper candidates and land them w/a competitive salary. The reality is that we never had to be turned down in hoops, whether we hired Brown or 15 other guys who are qualified head coaches. We were turned down b/c our search list was clown shoes.

A fear I have moving forward is how long can a school like SMU, overpay to the point of absurdity? That is a huge portion of Orsini's legacy. The whole he got us Brown/Jones schtick is comical, cause Joe Blow could have gotten those guys w/that loot and a bag full of admin promises.

Honestly, hoops just made a hire, but where is the stability again? Brown is gone in a few and w/him will go Howard, possibly ulric. Hell, Howard only came to SMU cause Brown promised a shot in the NBA in a few years. The stark reality is that inside 3 years(just guessing), we'll have Jank and that's probably it. All of the sudden, the program will start to look and feel like it did pre-Brown, other than some talent that Brown accrued. Not hating on Jank, but IF this was a legit search process centered on up'n'coming coaching talent, he wouldn't have been a top 5 candidate. In essence that's the legacy here, the HCIW.

Sorry that is horse crap...Jenk would have been out of SMU's league after next year if he didn't get picked up this year. His ISU squad would have been right on Creighton's heals in the MVC and would have been in the big dance, ranked in the Top 25 and may have made it to the Sweet 16 and then every major U in need would have been on Jenk. He is a great recruiter in his own right and will be a great HC here at SMU when he gets his shot...he has the skills and wouldn't even sell him short.