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PSCA wrote:Ok, this I my last post on this subject, we our obviously going in circles. This is a conversation that might be better served over a few beers … again all opinion .. at least mine.

I have not suggested or made the statement JJ never commented on a lack of depth (talent); I think that can be clearly seen in my post. Saying your talent is down does not mean a failure in recruiting … and a lot of this can be coach speak. Guys leave the program earlier for many reasons and talent (young talent) develops at various rates and stages. But JJ has said on video and interviews that we have depth on defense many times…and recently. So my position is his comment is not in Totality for the team but more for specific areas. You will not or have not acknowledged his comments on the "D". So, you are right … you can spin this to fit your needs. I’m assuming you are taking his statement to mean we have failed in our recruiting efforts and that we have zero depth/talent on this team … I do not.

TCU; was not referring to them as a BCS school. I was referencing what Gary Paterson said was their recruiting philosophy while building the foundation that has brought them to today. Is it still there mission statement … I don’t know. The can certainly compete now for the same guys that the others go after. My point, his point, there are some quality players in the Monahan’s, Andrews, Wimberley’s etc of the world … you can multiply that by 49 states. Big schools do not typically hit these towns w/o a compelling story. UT would haven ever graced the door step of very small 2A Jim Ned … Tuscola TX if not for some very aggressive and unique strategies of one Brad McCoy. Colt was as advertised. I’m making the suggestion that maybe SMU is employing some of this strategy in their recruiting effort … and to suggest that maybe the world is now coming to end for SMU because some of our recruits lack stars or BCS offers is miss-guided. There is a finite amount of BCS scholarships, a finite amount of D1 scholarships, and a finite yet much larger group (supply) of high school players … I think we can figure the math and logistics of that equation. That all has to fit into a school needs and projections, and one reason why BCS schools can be at the same HS program and offer some and not others. They might think the kid is capable, but 4th on that HS prospect list so they go down the road, or they are focusing on a specific kid or position need. Or, as you say, they don’t think he has it for them. A lot of these kids get serious looks by the BCS boys .. but no offers.

Answer your question … Hmmm how do I answer a question or defend a position that I never took or asked. Can you answer the flip of that question? Neither you nor I can, unless we have access to some very in-depth and detailed information and the ability and time to track it. Maybe we are taking each too literally in our comments. Are you suggesting that NO BCS and/or conference champion school has missed on a player, or that no BCS school has a current player(s) .. productive player(s) on their roster that was not offered by either them or any other BCS school. Walk-ons that become players, and that happens everyday, epitomize that. Again, we are talking scholarship offers not that they are being looked at … and not every kid UT offers is likewise offered by OU, OSU or whomever … sometimes the kid only gets one BCS offer. Or in the case of Case K … only 1 D1 offer … and they all missed on him. There are a lot of quality players in the non BCS, 1AA, and D2 ranks. Look no further west then D2 ACU and the number of players they have put in the NFL recently. I did not and I’m not suggesting that the cupboards of the BCS boys are filled with as you and others have put it … project players ... diamond in the rough types … have to switch positions, players no other BCS wanted. I recognize that SMU is not yet at a level where they can successfully compete for the likes of Jonathan Gray, RGIII etc. … but those types are the exception and at the head of the class.

Ok, I’m exhausted. I appreciate you insight and the friendly banter.


I see you like to spin things. I am not talking about going against UT but we should be able to win battles against BCS bottom feeders. If you look at our recruits this year they are non coming mostly from little known schools. And I understand when you get 3 or 4 kids that commit with no BCS offers or no offers at all but when your first 14 recruits start out with no BCS offers that is a concern. We just lost a football recruit to Duke this week, that is not good. Now back to the question and I will word it more easily for you, what team has won BCS conference champions with teams made up mostly of players with no BCS offers? Please answer and hold off on the spin.
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SMU should be able to get kids from Texas that are going to Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Baylor, Texas Tech, etc to give them a look. Get the kid on campus and then let him take a trip to Lubbock, Waco, Manhattan, Ames, and Lawrence. You can't tell me we shouldn't be competitive with those schools for recruits.
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OK, I lied one more post ... Dang it.

Is this mic on .... I did answer the question ... read the post. Hey we lost a Kid to Duke ... I guess that qualifies as a SMU recruit with as BCS offer. If the kid has the intellectual capacity to get accepted at Duke, I'm sure Dukes academic standards (nothing against SMU) had nothing to do with it ... it had to be there football program alone.

I get your position, we have no quality recruits, are coaches have failed an the program is domed for the future.
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StallionsModelT wrote:SMU should be able to get kids from Texas that are going to Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Baylor, Texas Tech, etc to give them a look. Get the kid on campus and then let him take a trip to Lubbock, Waco, Manhattan, Ames, and Lawrence. You can't tell me we shouldn't be competitive with those schools for recruits.



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I think we should win CUSA this year IMO. Other CUSA schools have new coaches, new QB's, and have lost a good bit of talent. This is our year in CUSA IMO.
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This should be pretty simple. Coach Jones picks the recruits. IMO we should leave recruiting up to the coach. Its also coach Jones' job to win games. That is the real test as to how good he recruits (and trains, and develops, etc.). And, winning is the bases as to how he should be judged. This year I hope he gets an A+.
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