A recruiting comparison

[jpe747]

We should be able to recruit against BCS bottom feeders.

I don't know but what we are competing with them as we run a different offense than most others and we look for a different type of athlete then others. What we are doing better (right now) then all 'bottom feeders' is sending kids to the NFL. That should be our best calling card when recruits come to visit.

[Rebel10]

The 3-4 defense is not an uncommon defense. Not trying be combative because I think you made a good comment but could you describe the different type of athlete we would be looking for that a school like Iowa St etc that runs a spread offense might not be looking for?

[jpe747]

I was thinking mostly about offense. However, even on defense certain coaches like different styles at positions. For example, for one coach, the major factor at linebacker might be quickness over size, strength, etc. Many factors are reliant and should be weighed. But, speed and quickness are essential. Thus, that coach might play a quick player over a more physical linebacker. You know this. Everybody knows this. Let the coach choose his team and let the coach coach.

[jpe747]

Rebel10 sorry I misread your post. Nonetheless, same applies on offense. just because the coach at Texas Tech isn't interested in the same qbs we are might just mean that Jones likes different traits over what another coach likes...arm speed, quickness, many factors. Judge Coach Jones on results, not recruiting.

[couch 'em]

Rebel10 sorry I misread your post. Nonetheless, same applies on offense. just because the coach at Texas Tech isn't interested in the same qbs we are might just mean that Jones likes different traits over what another coach likes...arm speed, quickness, many factors. Judge Coach Jones on results, not recruiting.

This is so idiotic. First, everyone ultimately judges on results, but that doesn't mean we can't discuss concerns.....on a discussion board.

Second, Jones liking a different QB than Tech is one thing. Jones liking a QB that nobody else at a legit program likes is another. Liking players nobody else likes across all positions is even another thing.

Jones is not some crazy genius-god with unique insight. He was a marginally successful QB coach and O coordinator working with a true genius Mouse Davis. He was a generally successful coach at Hawaii with a few excellent years. A quality coach, yes. A great option to reform our program, yes. But he does not have the resume to pull off claiming that he can identify players far, far more successful coaches passed on over and over and over with credibility. A few guys? Sure. A trouble case like Colt Brennan? Sure. A whole class? No. Doesn't add up.

And don't give me the "run 'n shoot" excuse. It is not that different, most passing teams run a variant of it.

[Lebanese4Life]

Junior--

My point is if he's going to include our transfers in his little comparison, shouldn't he include the transfers of the other schools? I'm just trying to keep this thing even and without bias

[Rebel10]

Rebel10 sorry I misread your post. Nonetheless, same applies on offense. just because the coach at Texas Tech isn't interested in the same qbs we are might just mean that Jones likes different traits over what another coach likes...arm speed, quickness, many factors. Judge Coach Jones on results, not recruiting.

What about receivers and other positions?

[Rebel10]

Rebel10 sorry I misread your post. Nonetheless, same applies on offense. just because the coach at Texas Tech isn't interested in the same qbs we are might just mean that Jones likes different traits over what another coach likes...arm speed, quickness, many factors. Judge Coach Jones on results, not recruiting.

This is so idiotic. First, everyone ultimately judges on results, but that doesn't mean we can't discuss concerns.....on a discussion board.

Second, Jones liking a different QB than Tech is one thing. Jones liking a QB that nobody else at a legit program likes is another. Liking players nobody else likes across all positions is even another thing.

Jones is not some crazy genius-god with unique insight. He was a marginally successful QB coach and O coordinator working with a true genius Mouse Davis. He was a generally successful coach at Hawaii with a few excellent years. A quality coach, yes. A great option to reform our program, yes. But he does not have the resume to pull off claiming that he can identify players far, far more successful coaches passed on over and over and over with credibility. A few guys? Sure. A trouble case like Colt Brennan? Sure. A whole class? No. Doesn't add up.

And don't give me the "run 'n shoot" excuse. It is not that different, most passing teams run a variant of it.

Good point Couchem.

[jpe747]

Couch em, We disagree. JJ is winning games. No one else at SMU has done that. Second, he has had experience in the NFL that most other coaches on our 'bottom feeder' level haven't had. Third, the players that UT and OU etc. recruit are no brainers. They are the best at their position. The players we can recruit are much harder to evaluate. If you don't think he is evaluating correctly it will show up in four years or less. On the other hand, so far SMU's TEXAS recruits have been much more solid than you guys have given JJ credit for. I have brought you insight I have learned over years of experiences. Perhaps I am an IDIOT as you suggest. But, I know what I have experienced.

[Lebanese4Life]

Hey Ozfan,

I think when you compare our recruits against the recruits of our competitors, leave the stars out of it. When you look at avg stars per recruit we come 2nd to last. When the other schools catch up with our number of recruits we will be near the bottom in terms of 'points'

[SMU 86]

Couch em, We disagree. JJ is winning games. No one else at SMU has done that. Second, he has had experience in the NFL that most other coaches on our 'bottom feeder' level haven't had. Third, the players that UT and OU etc. recruit are no brainers. They are the best at their position. The players we can recruit are much harder to evaluate. If you don't think he is evaluating correctly it will show up in four years or less. On the other hand, so far SMU's TEXAS recruits have been much more solid than you guys have given JJ credit for. I have brought you insight I have learned over years of experiences. Perhaps I am an IDIOT as you suggest. But, I know what I have experienced.

How do you know most coaches from bottom feeder BCS schools do not have NFL experience? By the way, most coaches with NFL backgrounds that take college job do not do well. See Calhoun and Weis amongst. others. Just saying.

Also, Dennis Fran started building TCU by beating the BCS bottom feeder for recruits not beating Sunbelt teams for recruits, We are going to a BCS conference not staying in CUSA. we have to raise our recruiting to the next level. We should be able to beat Iowa St, Kansas, and teams like that for football recruits.

As SMT says.

SMU should be able to get kids from Texas that are going to Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Baylor, Texas Tech, etc to give them a look. Get the kid on campus and then let him take a trip to Lubbock, Waco, Manhattan, Ames, and Lawrence. You can't tell me we shouldn't be competitive with those schools for recruits.

With all that being said I do think we win CUSA this year.

[Junior]

Junior--

My point is if he's going to include our transfers in his little comparison, shouldn't he include the transfers of the other schools? I'm just trying to keep this thing even and without bias

L4L, i was agreeing with you.