Should Penn St. Get the Death Penalty

[stc9]

Are these similar to the sanctions that SMU was dealing with before we got the death penalty?

[Treadway21]

SMU would have gladly accepted these type of penalties over the DP any day.

yep, these are slightly worse than USC's recent penalties, and USC was strong enough to overcome it in short order. The stronger the program, the harsher the penalties need to be, otherwise its like water off a duck's back. On relative basis, the monetary fine and the scholarship losses will not hurt PSU very badly and vacating wins is a worthless thing. PSU isn't even losing a coach over this, most of their alums wanted paterno to retire 6 or 7 years ago and for good reason. It takes a giant ego and thirst for control to try to coach up until the day you die like Paterno did. The guy thought he was God, PSU enabled him and they all enabled Sandusky. They should get a 3 year Death Penalty in reality.

Can't agree with you more Hoop Fan. Well said - all of it.

[soccermom]

They should have at least taken tv revenue from them for the next 4 years, too. What a sham!

[stc9]

The big ten came out with their sanctions: http://host.madison.com/sports/college/ ... 963f4.html

Basically it breaks down to the following:
1. They censure the School (big deal)
2. They affirm the 4 year bowl ban (already happened by the NCAA)
3. They will not share bowl money over that time (+/- $13 million)
4. 5 year conference probation

They basically mimicked the NCAA, except they tagged on another $13 million in lost revenue.

[skyscraper]

Tough but hardly crippling sanctions.
Is DP really a deterrent when NCAA is too afraid to use it anymore?

[Rebel10]

Mark Emmert: "The Death Penalty would have had unintended harm to players who had nothing to do with it."

[peruna81]

Don't know that any penalty would be 'enough' for Pony fans. Perhaps what should have been said by NCAA is that these are "unprecedented" penalties for a "big-boy" program.

I am troubled that an egregious criiminal act now comes under the NCAA's purview. This is an interesting stretch.

BTW, interesting that the revisionist types who pushed for the vacating of wins beat a hollow drum. It effects a dead coach, not the PSU program.

Joe knew what happened. He ran it up the flagpole to the AD and President and then (according to Freeh report) advised the two superiors later to duck and cover up. That said, piling on a dead coach will be the repeated mantra in the coming days

[leopold]

The sanctions are tough and about as fair as could be expected in this type of situation. I applaud the NCAA for the course of action that they chose.

That being said, it's not even close to the Death Penalty.

[couch 'em]

Joe knew what happened. He ran it up the flagpole to the AD and President and then (according to Freeh report) advised the two superiors later to duck and cover up. That said, piling on a dead coach will be the repeated mantra in the coming days

This is why the NCAA is involved. It wasn't just a crime that happened to involve football personnel. It was a demonstrqition that the entire university isn't controlling their program and acting within the spirit of amature athletics blablabla.

[Treadway21]

The big ten came out with their sanctions: http://host.madison.com/sports/college/ ... 963f4.html

Basically it breaks down to the following:
1. They censure the School (big deal)
2. They affirm the 4 year bowl ban (already happened by the NCAA)
3. They will not share bowl money over that time (+/- $13 million)
4. 5 year conference probation

They basically mimicked the NCAA, except they tagged on another $13 million in lost revenue.

Funny. A few extra bucks for the rest to throw around.

[Stallion]

I believe the overwhelming consensus across the Country will be that the NCAA dealt a harsh but fair and reasonable punishment. I've already seen polls indicating the vast majority agree with the decision over the Death Penalty. On Ponyfans the numbers will be reversed because most of you can't overcome your prejudice against the NCAA. The most significant effect of this punishment is to reinforce the importance of Institutional Control over athletics

[ponyboy]

How is this not an enormously unprecedented overreach by the NCAA is beyond me.

[Stallion]

that's my biggest concern. Did the NCAA even have jurisdiction over this matter. I was pretty convinced of the egregious lack of institutional contract. I buy that 100%-but if I were deciding the case I would have to be walked through the argument of jurisdiction to penalize and sanction purely criminal behavior. This actually could have been an interesting lawsuit as opposed to SMU which had absolutely no argument to make in a lawsuit against the NCAA. But Penn St has accepted the punishment so it is moot.

[Nacho]

i don't think psu wanted to get into a fight with the ncaa. they have enough on their hands already.
all things considered they are lucky to be alive.

[Stallion]

I wonder if member institutions now have a de facto duty to report all serious criminal behavior of players and coaches to the NCAA-isn't the duty to report criminal behavior to law enforcement. Just where is the line drawn now concerning thecircumstanceswhere the NCAA can get involved-are there any bylaws even requiring a school to report this type of information or subject itself to sanctions for failing to do so.