Gary Patterson Quote About SMU In Today's S-T

[50's PONY]

The people who are supposed to know -- but really are just guessing like the rest of us -- say this haul of TCU recruits might be a bit weaker than usual, slightly below Baylor, in fact.
Patterson just shrugs at those who would attempt to put a grade on two dozen freshmen and junior college transfers who have yet to play a down of Division 1 college football.
"All I know is that every year, SMU gets a better grade than we do," he said, "but they haven't beaten us yet."

[HorsePower]

How wide is the talent gap now, compared to Coach Bennett's first year? I say it's smaller, perhaps a lot smaller. Last year's game didn't show the progress, to be sure, but I sure would rather go to war with our current roster against theirs. Will we beat the Frogs this year? Nobody knows .... we certainly won't be favored, even by the most enthusiastic PonyFan. But the size (finally!) and speed/athleticism that we have now is a whole lot better than when Coach Bennett took over. No disrespect to the guys who played valiantly for us then, but we are bigger and faster now. If we could just make them all 21-23 years old .... progress takes time, but we clearly are on the right track.

Go get 'em, Ponies!

[ALEX LIFESON]

i really don't like that porky-pig, gary patterson

[gostangs]

Gee, according to Ponysnob, we have never out recruited them. I am so confused.

I also think several of their recruits don't ever see the field, ala Baylor several yrs ago when they brought in all the academic risks. I'd still like to try a few academic risks though, just to see how that goes for once.

[Col. Nathan R. Jessep]

The people who are supposed to know -- but really are just guessing like the rest of us -- say this haul of TCU recruits might be a bit weaker than usual, slightly below Baylor, in fact.
Patterson just shrugs at those who would attempt to put a grade on two dozen freshmen and junior college transfers who have yet to play a down of Division 1 college football.
"All I know is that every year, SMU gets a better grade than we do," he said, "but they haven't beaten us yet."

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I hope this smart-a$$ quote from Patterson is on each locker @ Ford:

"All I know is that every year, SMU gets a better grade than we do," he said, "but they haven't beaten us yet."

Frog fodder....

[StangEsq]

Sounds like he's trying to say that it's his coaching ability that is leading teh way in spite of lesser talent... although both sides of the contention are probably incorrect.

[Pony Fan]

We just need to remember that they still wear purple and are called the Horned Frogs. How could you cheer for a team that looks like that and are called a reptile. They are all SMU wannabes and always will be.

[LakeHighlandsPony]

I don't let a guy who pulls his britches up to his nipples effect me very much. Last Years TCU game had to be the most dissappointing game post DP. We were not ready to play that game at all.

[Stallion]

the truth is-its debateable if SMU has ever outrecruited TCU even once in the last 16 years even according to the recruiting sevices. I think we may have outpointed them a couple of years but only because SMU signed a much bigger class. And that gap may have been closing but if TCU gets this class in it just got a whole bunch wider.

[gostangs]

i think most objective observers would say we have had one class that was better in the last 10 yrs - Phil's first full class. I think our JUCO angle could help us equalize, plus I would bet you a big burger and beer they lose at least two of their last second academic "risks" before they hit the field, but on a whole they are still ahead of us - we need to win 5-6 games, and then I think the things that are better about SMU (which , lets face it, is basically everything) - will be more obvious and the recruiting will get corrected.

On an even playing field, Bennett could recruit circles around the round mound of rebound. Patterson puts on another 50 and he can coach at Kansas.

[Stallion]

here's a little stat that will show just how much TCU dominated SMU in recruiting this year-one that many of you claimed that a small private school in the Metroplex could never accomplish. According to a poster on the Frog Forum the players signed by TCU had 25 offers documented on Rivals from Big 12 teams alone not to mention the other BCS schools. Then I calculated the number of Rivals documented offers that TCU signees received from BCS schools and got 32-which is a conservative number since several of their recruits like Richmond, Lorenzo Jones, Corderra Hunter and Stephen Hodge could have gone just about anywhere and in fact received more unofficial offers. I think I remember from Ponyfans excellent work that players that signed with SMU had only 3 or 4 documented offers from the ENTIRE BCS. Let me put this in big bold letters for all of you that think SMU can't compete for these players. SMU WILL EITHER COMPETE AGAINST THE BCS SCHOOLS FOR TOP TALENT in FB or BB OR THEY WILL NEVER TURN THIS THING AROUND. They may never win every battle against BCS schools especially against UT, A&M and OU - but like TCU has done now for years -SMU better find some way to beat the Baylors, Techs, OSUs, Kansas, Iowa Sts for some.

[DallasFrog]

Just a little recap of what's happened over the past 4 years, recruiting that is....

Here's the total number of recruits and their rankings (per rivals) over the past 4 recruiting classes.


SMU
2* - 74 total (71 HS/3 JC) - 64 still on team
3* - 18 total (15 HS/3 JC) - 15 still on team
4* - 0 total

So of the 92 signed players, 79 are still playing.

TCU
2* - 54 total (51 HS/3 JC) - 51 still on team
3* - 21 total (16 HS/ 5 JC) - 20 still on team
4* - 5 total (3 HS/ 2 JC) - 4 still on team

So of the 80 signed players, 75 are still on the team.

Now, the jury is still out on this year's signings, but this should answer some question about who's signees are actually still on the roster and the quality of what's coming in... And I won't mention what's happened on the field.

[Boston Pony]

I'm sorry guys, but it wasn't SMU pulling a troll that caused Patterson to say, look at SMU, they out point us on recruiting but we beat them on the field. Stallion, get off the horse (sorry for the pun) and Dallas Frog it was Patterson who mouthed off, not one of our idiots.... guys recruiting is very important but I agree with Coach Patterson, talking about recruiting has never won a game.

[KnuckleStang]

I think we may have outpointed them a couple of years but only because SMU signed a much bigger class.

I don't know the first thing about recruiting, but can somebody explain to me why Rivals would have a system for rating recruiting classes that takes quantity into account? How many kids you signed is completely irrevelant. Obviously quality is what matters. How hard would it be for them to change the "formula" for a more accurate rating of per-recruit overall quality? My guess is not too hard. Like I said, I don't know recruiting, but on its face, that system doesn't make any sense.

[Mike Damone]

I think we may have outpointed them a couple of years but only because SMU signed a much bigger class.

I don't know the first thing about recruiting, but can somebody explain to me why Rivals would have a system for rating recruiting classes that takes quantity into account? How many kids you signed is completely irrevelant. Obviously quality is what matters. How hard would it be for them to change the "formula" for a more accurate rating of per-recruit overall quality? My guess is not too hard. Like I said, I don't know recruiting, but on its face, that system doesn't make any sense.

I agree somewhat, but quantity also comes into play. For example, looking at it very simply, would you rather have a class of one five-star or 10 four-stars? The class with one five-star would have better quality per recruit, but I'm sure you'd rather have the 10 four-stars. Of course this would never happen, and its an extreme example, but it does have some relevance. It does happen where a class may be 10 guys and average 3.8 stars and another class would be 25 guys and average 3.6 stars. In this case I'd rather have the class with the quantity, than the one with the quality. I think the problem is finding the right mix between the two. I know many of the recruiting sites allow you to sort all ranking is all types of ways, be it quality or quantity.