BCS playoff system

[BuckeyeBomber]

I'm an ohio state fan but I also like SMU. I intially was drawn to SMU when I found out their story with the death penalty because I dont like the NCAA for the hypocritical money hungry bastards they are. I liked your team before ohio state sold baseball cards to a magical tattoo parlor that gave the players at ohio state mighty magic so they could beat Arkansas in the sugar bowl. I also like your teams uniforms and helmets. I want SMU to be a national contender again one day. I'd enjoy that. alright thats my rock n roll introduction.

My proposed BCS playoff bowl system: To make it in the BCS 4 bowl games a team must first and foremost place in the Top 8 in the country. Conferences dont matter in that respect. Conferences do however get a specific bowl it will go to if it 1. Places in top 8. 2. Wins their respected conference. These 5 conferences are assigned what I call "traditional bowl". These conferences are SEC,B1G,ACC,PAC12,BIG12(note-Big East is left out) The ACC for instance gets orange bowl. If a team from the ACC places in the top 8, but doesnt win their conference, that team doesnt automatically go to the orange bowl, but instead picks up an atlarge bid for the other 3 BCS games[Thus loosing the "homefield" advantage. Again it really isn' that important, but if you are USC and dont get to play in Pasadena, and instead play in New Orleans, it matters. A little. ]

I have "AQ' Conferences" as they are referred to now because I think it gives the bowls a distinct "flavor" or personality. But my criteria for more strict as to how the conference champion gets there[must be in top 8, and win conference to go to their "traditional bowl" as i'll call it.] this way we don't have a non ranked UConn playing in the Orange Bowl, because even if they win the conference, they are not ranked in the top 8.

Note also, that this might not sound like a change because I have the traditional powers keeping their respected bowls, but bear in mind under my system, both Boise State and TCU play in BCS first round bowls games the season they were both ranked in the top 8. They are not in "AQ" conferences.


***#8 represents that a team is atleast in the top 8.
ROUND 1
- Teams go into this bowl with their "playoff" rank. They keep this rank throughout the entire playoff. So the team ranked #7 keeps that rank even if they make it to the NCG.


Rose Bowl
B1G #8 Conference Champion VS PAC12 #8 Conference Champion
[ This bowl is tricky because it is the only bowl with two teams guarenteed to go here if they meet the criteria. But I think it gives the Rose Bowl distinction and "flavor" as I was speaking about previously]


Fiesta Bowl
BIG12 #8 Conference Champion VS Atlarge #8


Orange Bowl
ACC #8 Conference Champion VS Atlarge #8


Sugar Bowl
SEC #8 Conference Champion VS Atlarge #8

ROUND 2
- This is the fun part. The bowl champions will now be facing off. The games are selected like this; The highest ranked team plays the lowest ranked team i.e- #3 vs #7 while the other two teams would play eachother i.e- #4 vs#5. This gives the best ranked team a "reward" for being the highest ranked and keeping that rank by winning the first round. The two other teams would then play their game to determine who is the real "number 2" All the while no ones rank ever changes.

So it would look like this


#3VS#7


#4VS#5

ROUND 3
[National Championship]
Winners of the Round 2 now face off for the NCG.


#3VS#5

[BuckeyeBomber]

Some other bowl ideas.

I think teams in the top 10 should be in high profiled games, so teams ranked #9 10# play every year for the cottonbowl(make that bowl relevant again)


Winner gets national perception points, and a very likely chance they get into the top 8 for the preseason polls, the following season.

Another game idea.


Make the Poinsettia Bowl a game with the best ranked "non AQ"(given they are not ranked 1-10) versus the lowest ranked "AQ" team. If the best ranked "non AQ" is ranked 1-10, or not ranked at all, then decide the team that goes based on Strength of Schedule.

Edit*** So a Poinsettia match up might look like #25 West Virgina(lowest AQ team) versus #12 SMU..for instance.

[zimo]

I like the current system of #1 vs. #2. We don't need to use the current BCS format to determine the top two. I guess we could determine the top two by committee. College football over the past 15 years has been the most compelling sport in the country. NFL, MLB, NHL it's all about just getting into the playoffs and then every game or series is a coin toss and I would hate NCAAF to turn into that but it will with a playoff.

[BuckeyeBomber]

I like the current system of #1 vs. #2. We don't need to use the current BCS format to determine the top two. I guess we could determine the top two by committee. College football over the past 15 years has been the most compelling sport in the country. NFL, MLB, NHL it's all about just getting into the playoffs and then every game or series is a coin toss and I would hate NCAAF to turn into that but it will with a playoff.

I think you underestimating how difficult getting ranked into the Top 8 is.

If your team loses 2 games theres a good chance you wont be in the top 8 depending on SOS of course.

If your team loses 3 games you have to get lucky.

Your also forgetting a huge difference between NFL and College...NFL has 32 teams; College has 120.

Now I realize most those teams out of 120 arnt national powerhouses, but factor in James Madison beating Ole Miss...Purdue beating Ohio State Utah Beating Alabama.. Appalachian State beating Michigan(HA!) and even if those teams dont go BCS, they can beat BCS teams, [I think] requiring you to factor non BCS teams into the equation.

And with "my system" #1 would be playing #2. The number 1 & 2 teams would be in the playoffs.

The reason the rankings wouldnt change after you lets say win the rose bowl, is why? I just dont see a reason to rank teams during a playoff.

I think number #1 and #2 ranked teams should be determined after the national championship game is played not before.

it would just be a lot more fun to watch.

[Rebel10]

I like the current system of #1 vs. #2. We don't need to use the current BCS format to determine the top two. I guess we could determine the top two by committee. College football over the past 15 years has been the most compelling sport in the country. NFL, MLB, NHL it's all about just getting into the playoffs and then every game or series is a coin toss and I would hate NCAAF to turn into that but it will with a playoff.

The BCS was a farce. It will be even better now because we can actually determine the champion on the field and not some computer run by people who never play, or voters who have biases toward team in their regions.

[zimo]

I've never understood the logic of a postseason being fairer. What was more unfair to LSU than having to play Alabama a 2nd time to win the national championship. They went undefeated in the SEC. They beat Alabama once already. They blew out PAC12 champion Oregon and Big East champion West Virginia. No one could argue going into that game that LSU was the best team in the country based on merit.

[BuckeyeBomber]

I've never understood the logic of a postseason being fairer. What was more unfair to LSU than having to play Alabama a 2nd time to win the national championship. They went undefeated in the SEC. They beat Alabama once already. They blew out PAC12 champion Oregon and Big East champion West Virginia. No one could argue going into that game that LSU was the best team in the country based on merit.

But Alabama playing LSU in the National Championship after LSU beat Oregon/WVU/Alabama happened under the current system you said you liked.

Do you understand how much better a playoff system would be than a team playing 1 MAYBE 2 good non conference games. Most teams dont even schedule one good non conference.

Ok Look at it like this

Bowl Games based on Pre Season Polls

Sugar Bowl
LSU #1 VS Oregon#4

Rose Bowl
USC #2 VS Michigan #8

Orange Bowl
Florida State#7 VS Alabama#3

Fiesta Bowl
Oklahoma#6 VS Georgia#5

Sugar Bowl Champion LSU#1 VS Fiesta Bowl Champion Oklahoma#6

Orange Bowl Champion Alabama#3 VS Rose Bowl Champion USC#2



How could you not want to see those games!
1. LSU Tigers

2. USC Trojans

3. Alabama Crimson Tide

4. Oregon Ducks

5. Georgia Bulldogs

6. Oklahoma Sooners

7. Florida State Seminoles

8. Michigan Wolverines

[Rebel10]

I've never understood the logic of a postseason being fairer. What was more unfair to LSU than having to play Alabama a 2nd time to win the national championship. They went undefeated in the SEC. They beat Alabama once already. They blew out PAC12 champion Oregon and Big East champion West Virginia. No one could argue going into that game that LSU was the best team in the country based on merit.

Most years you have 3 or 4 teams that agreeably could be in the national championship game. Now we can settle it on the field. The best team in the country also might not play the hardest schedule in the country. A team playoff would settle the issue and 8 team would better better because it would give access to more teams. The BCS creates haves and have not's which is bad for recruiting. The money is also split differently. It was a oligopoly which is illegal. Again, Boise could never get into the championship game in the have and have not old BCS format but in an eight team playoff they would have access to prove it on the field.

[NavyCrimson]

I agree with you Buckeye. The bcs-BS is nothing more than a cartel. But thanks for liking us! We need all the liking & loving we can get in today's zany college football world!

[zimo]

But Alabama playing LSU in the National Championship after LSU beat Oregon/WVU/Alabama happened under the current system you said you liked.

I like the BCS more than a tournament. I like voting at the end of the year more than the BCS. It's just way more interesting.

[BuckeyeBomber]

But Alabama playing LSU in the National Championship after LSU beat Oregon/WVU/Alabama happened under the current system you said you liked.

I like the BCS more than a tournament. I like voting at the end of the year more than the BCS. It's just way more interesting.

Sugar Bowl Champion LSU#1 VS Fiesta Bowl Champion Oklahoma#6

Orange Bowl Champion Alabama#3 VS Rose Bowl Champion USC#2

I dont understand how you wouldnt find seeing the Sugar Bowl Champion VS the Fiesta bowl champion...[winner goes to the National Championship!] interesting.

And its not like the loser of that game isnt still very good, they still are for instance the Fiesta Bowl champion and can put that on their resume.

Well just have to agree to disagree.

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Oh and what did you think about my Cotton Bowl and Poinsettia bowl games ideas?

you still get that "old style" championship-esque style with those two games.

[Rebel10]

But Alabama playing LSU in the National Championship after LSU beat Oregon/WVU/Alabama happened under the current system you said you liked.

I like the BCS more than a tournament. I like voting at the end of the year more than the BCS. It's just way more interesting.

It is way more interesting in your opinion. As admitted on ESPN several times by sportscasters that the controversy's helped them keep their jobs. Also, coaches would vote that did not even see the games. Glad basketball does not vote the final 2 in for a national championship game. But it will still be some controversy to try to figure out the top 4 teams. But at least it we sttle it on the field and not by non transparent ways. It is much more fairer. It we had a final 4 a couple of years ago TCU would have had a shot at Auburn. If you have 2 or 3 undefeated teams at the end of the year a playoff is the only way to tell who is best. Not some silly poll.

[RednBlue11]

does anyone else like marty robins?

[zimo]

Of course it's just my opinion. Playoff systems only expand and not contract. We'll get to a point where there's a 16 team playoff and a slew of 9-3 teams are qualifying which waters it down completely. It bothers me when a 9-7 New York Giants team wins the Superbowl or a 83 win St. Louis Cardinals team wins the World Series. I just really like the idea of a team having no margin for error.

[BuckeyeBomber]

Of course it's just my opinion. Playoff systems only expand and not contract. We'll get to a point where there's a 16 team playoff and a slew of 9-3 teams are qualifying which waters it down completely. It bothers me when a 9-7 New York Giants team wins the Superbowl or a 83 win St. Louis Cardinals team wins the World Series. I just really like the idea of a team having no margin for error.

Your making a huge leap to say because theirs an 8 team playoff, then automatically their will be a 16 team.

And all the reasons your giving for not wanting a playoff system, are reasons as to why their should be.

"A slew of 9-3 teams" UConn wasnt even RANKED and they went to the fiesta bowl with 8 wins! Thats the current sytem, 8 win unranked teams going to BCS games.