Yet Another Example

Stallion · Post by **Stallion** » Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:02 pm

That its not about the Xs and Os-Its more about the Jimmie and Joes. 80% of the time talent wins football games. My problem with June Jones has never been coaching-its his lazy and disjointed recruiting policies and strategies. SMU as usual against a talented Football team was simply no match. Never in the ball game. SMU will beat the powderpuffs on our schedules because we changed the Model and the powderpuffs have nothing to compare with what SMU now offers in recruiting. June Jones will win against those schools who shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath and only because SMU played Ivy League Football for 20 years. But against Baylor SMU lost this game on signing date in February 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012

Hoop Fan · Post by **Hoop Fan** » Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:10 pm

outmatched, yes, never in the ballgame i dunno. The first possession with all the penalties was a gift from stupid plays and borderline calls. after that we settled down and moved the ball despite Gilbert being really tight i thought. The whole thing collapsed when we were knocking on the door to get back to 14-10 but the pick at the goalline. thought GG got rid of the ball too quick and should have pulled it down and scrambled more than once.

Ponymon · Post by **Ponymon** » Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:18 pm

A good team does not lose this game especially in the way that we lost it. I am dreading A$M.

Big Hoss · Post by **Big Hoss** » Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:20 pm

Agree with Hoop Fan on this one.

Yes, they are deeper, but the guys we thought we could rely on didn't show up either, both on offense & defense. Our defense looked terrible and made the Baylor offense look much better than it is. Not much pressure on their QB, and our strength (our LBs) just didn't seem to cover as much ground as they usually do. Our secondary we knew was thin, and it showed.

Gilbert is still in his 1st month of running this system. You could tell on some of his throws that he & the receivers are still a bit out of synch.

In the end, we lost a game everyone predicted us to lose. Unfortunately, they just scored about 3 more TDs than I expected them to.

gostangs · Post by **gostangs** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:24 am

i thought gilbert actually did pretty well. DJ comes down with the ball on the goal line as he normally does - instead of turning it over - and we are at 14-10. instead - a few bad plays by us and a horrendous call by the stripes and it is basically out of reach.

anyone know total yes by us passing and total yds rushing? dont bother to tell me what we gave up on defense - i know it must have been 1000 yds.

ojaipony · Post by **ojaipony** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:39 am

Totally agree with Stallion on this one. Need more of a recruiter than coach at this point. A lot to sell here. Just need someone who wants to work his [deleted] off and sell it. Who are the best realistic candidates?

westexSMU · Post by **westexSMU** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:11 am

I still think we might have a chance to have a pretty good team by the third or fourth game. BUT, As usual we were not ready to play in the first game of the season. We all bought into the hype of 22 completions of 25 passes in practice daily etc. A pass rush that was unstoppable. Fact is: We missed tackles, we dropped passes, sometimes after we caught them and Gilbert looked unprepared for the speed of the game. We basically had no pass rush. The secondary ? obviously we have some serious talent issues there with Richardson out for the year, though I thought Jeremy Gray did ok at CB filling in for Chris Parks....Why can't we ever play well in our first game to start the season ? I mentioned the lack of scrimmaging during the fall a month ago. But June assured us his system works better at preparing a team to start the season. Does it show ? Does Art Briles scrimmage in the fall ? YES. Sure Baylor has more talent but did they look more prepared than us ? Of course they did. They tackled well and their offense functioned at mid season form against us. As Art Briles said a few days ago, "When college football kicks off, it is For Real." There are no pre season games in college football and quite frankly, as hard as our kids work in the off season, there really is no excuse for us to be that poorly prepared and have to use our first game every year as a chance to scrimmage.

Charleston Pony · Post by **Charleston Pony** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:18 am

everyone constantly talks about how much we have to seel here at SMU. From where I sit, we are still "little league" in what has become a world of Goliaths in college football. Turn on your TV and watch games with large State U vs large State U and 70-80k all dressed in their teams colors. Then watch the non-BCS games (or FCS for that matter). There's a world of difference in the levels of interest and that, more than anything is what holds SMU back.

even when we were paying more than our competition and racking up SWC titles in the 80's, we couldn't fill Texas Stadium without the help of our visitors or free tickets, so don't tell me "win and they will come". I think we have some of the most hard core fans in college football. We just don't have very many.

SMU's challenge has always been trying to figure out how to really become Dallas' team. We can say it all we want, but making it happen is another challenge all together. SMU is still viewed by many as that school where all the spoiled rich kids go in that little Camelot known as H.P.

There's no question that in any sport, great players make coaches great. In theory, it's easier to turn around a hoops program because you only need 2-3 real studs. And, how hard can it be to find 7,000 intersted fans to pack Moody? Let's see if Larry Brown can do it

Charleston Pony · Post by **Charleston Pony** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:19 am

Charleston Pony wrote:everyone constantly talks about how much we have to sell here at SMU. From where I sit, we are still "little league" in what has become a world of Goliaths in college football. Turn on your TV and watch games with large State U vs large State U and 70-80k all dressed in their teams colors. Then watch the non-BCS games (or FCS for that matter). There's a world of difference in the levels of interest and that, more than anything is what holds SMU back.

even when we were paying more than our competition and racking up SWC titles in the 80's, we couldn't fill Texas Stadium without the help of our visitors or free tickets, so don't tell me "win and they will come". I think we have some of the most hard core fans in college football. We just don't have very many.

SMU's challenge has always been trying to figure out how to really become Dallas' team. We can say it all we want, but making it happen is another challenge all together. SMU is still viewed by many as that school where all the spoiled rich kids go in that little Camelot known as H.P.

There's no question that in any sport, great players make coaches great. In theory, it's easier to turn around a hoops program because you only need 2-3 real studs. And, how hard can it be to find 7,000 intersted fans to pack Moody? Let's see if Larry Brown can do it

EastStang · Post by **EastStang** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:24 am

Baylor showed a lot of speed and talent. We didn't. We didn't defend well against a good offense. Our O-line was just learning. Gilbert was adjusting to game speed. Line as usual was himself. Refs were going out of their way to help Baylor. Late hit on QB in first drive was really borderline. Missing two facemasks in a row with us maybe still in the game. That's just wrong. We got beat, but when the game was still in doubt, we didn't catch a break either.

GiddyUp · Post by **GiddyUp** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:47 am

Hoop Fan wrote:outmatched, yes, never in the ballgame i dunno. The first possession with all the penalties was a gift from stupid plays and borderline calls. after that we settled down and moved the ball despite Gilbert being really tight i thought. The whole thing collapsed when we were knocking on the door to get back to 14-10 but the pick at the goalline. thought GG got rid of the ball too quick and should have pulled it down and scrambled more than once.

scrambled? June Jones QB's are never allowed to scramble. Padron did it only on occasion and probably got chewed out for it.

MustangIcon · Post by **MustangIcon** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:00 am

My thoughts on this subject:

- Baylor's offensive talent exceeds our defensive talent by a long shot and our depth on D is nonexistant with the exception of LB. Combine that with our continued ineptitude against hurry up offenses and I am not shocked by the number of points we gave up, although I did expect better- ie holding Baylor to under 40 offensive points, we gave up 52.

- SMU's offensive talent is probably on par with Baylor's defensive talent. Yes they are a little better upfront on D than we are on O (although our O-line did a pretty good job in pass protection and not an awful job in run blocking) but our skill position are plenty talented. I truly believe that Baylor had their defense more prepared to play this game than SMU had its offense ready to play. There is no reason our offense shouldn't hang 30 points against that D, even in GG's first game. Yes we got close to that, but based on late garbage time production. Unacceptable offensive performance, again.

redpony · Post by **redpony** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:58 pm

The whole talent issue and our lack of it is due to jj and the fact that he doesn't believe in recruiting.
Well coached talent will almost always beat lesser talent.
I feel that jj is just passing time to get a few more dollars in the bank and then he is off to the islands.

At hawaii jj recruited hard, recruited locals, built relationships with hs coaches and spent a lot of time connecting with the community. It is all spelled out very clearly in the book about hawaii football.

The simple question is has he done that here. My impression is a resounding NO. Why? he cared about hawaii and cares less about being at SMU. It is sad that we don't have a highly talented coach with the love of our university that Forrest Gregg had.

HorseSense · Post by **HorseSense** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:00 pm

redpony wrote:The whole talent issue and our lack of it is due to jj and the fact that he doesn't believe in recruiting.
Well coached talent will almost always beat lesser talent.
I feel that jj is just passing time to get a few more dollars in the bank and then he is off to the islands.

At hawaii jj recruited hard, recruited locals, built relationships with hs coaches and spent a lot of time connecting with the community. It is all spelled out very clearly in the book about hawaii football.

The simple question is has he done that here. My impression is a resounding NO. Why? he cared about hawaii and cares less about being at SMU. It is sad that we don't have a highly talented coach with the love of our university that Forrest Gregg had.

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