Juneslai wrote:The Big12 will stand pat for now as they can't poach the ACC at this point as the exit fee is now 50 million! The SEC may try and pick up some ACC teams to get to 16
How would the ACC's $50 million exit fee prevent the Big 12 from poaching any ACC teams, but not prevent the SEC from doing so?
In any case, the ACC's $50 million exit fee is not yet in force. Doesn't start until 2013. So both the Big 12 and the SEC have a small window to try a last-minute push to pick off an ACC team or two.
Juneslai wrote:The Big12 will stand pat for now as they can't poach the ACC at this point as the exit fee is now 50 million! The SEC may try and pick up some ACC teams to get to 16
How would the ACC's $50 million exit fee prevent the Big 12 from poaching any ACC teams, but not prevent the SEC from doing so?
In any case, the ACC's $50 million exit fee is not yet in force. Doesn't start until 2013. So both the Big 12 and the SEC have a small window to try a last-minute push to pick off an ACC team or two.
I wrote that badly...tears in my eyes. Both conferences would have to go on the prowl at the same time and pull a batch of teams out, thereby voiding the fee. I doubt the Big 12 bothers as FSU and Clemson won't come over without the ND carrot....but who knows.
Juneslai wrote:The timing is terrible. Notre Dame was the glue holding together much of the basketball power in the Big East. The big danger now is that the bball only schools just start a bball only conference and leave us stuck with the remaining schools.
The Big 12 GOR means they are tied together for 13 years....no other conference will take a school if they have to leave behind its TV rights. The Big12 will stand pat for now as they can't poach the ACC at this point as the exit fee is now 50 million! The SEC may try and pick up some ACC teams to get to 16, which could then lead to the Big 12 looking to add a few more (if 4-5 leave the ACC the out clause is over).....but that is doubtful any time soon.
We must win win win win win and consistently.
I think thats something you have to accept. I cant see Depaul, Marquette, Nova, GTown, Seton Hall, St Johns being really excited about this going forward. The A-10 is gonna get some of these schools. A-20 has a nice ring to it. The tourney could move to the new Brooklyn Arena or Newark.
Regardless of what happens SMU is in a better position getting rid of the dead weight in CUSA.
The new BIg East will still be the 6th best football league. Thats better than the 9th.
Trey was using the powers of Gamehendge to allow the show to continue, to give the band the strength it needed to help break through this barrier
We made the obviously correct decision and now need to fight to make the BE work. We will add to the value of basketball VERY soon - and need a jolt to get the football in a value add position as well.
The problem we will face is the seemingly inevitable move of the BBall only schools into a bball only conference. They have no more reason to mess around with the football schools that drag them into this nonsense every few years. We could potentially be unable to cover the costs of travel based on the remaining football inventory in the contract market.
MustangStealth wrote:Everybody also needs to brace themselves for when the basketball schools all leave.
Where are they all going? The ACC and other power conferences are all about full.
They'll take as long as they need to sort out the NCAA tourney auto-bid rules, then they can form a new conference where they don't have to deal with football schools.
They only have about 5 non football teams. They wouldn't get the TV money that they would have of they stayed in the BE.
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"We will play man to man and we will pick you up at the airport." - Larry Brown
this is why our football product has to be legit and cannot take a step back. Hopefully we show up better against A&M and TCU than we did against Baylor.
Make no mistake, the Big East BBall schools have options, think about all the teams in the A10. It will be up to Louisville, Cincy,Uconn and Rutgers to hold this thing together.
ND is committing to five ACC football games a year which will help a lot with ACC TV negotiations. They weren't playing many Big East teams anyway, but it hurts Big East bowl affiliations.
It's time to move independent. This would provide us the opportunity to travel and play a schedule that is needed to build a national football power. This is how FSU did it.
Barksdale Pony wrote:It's time to move independent. This would provide us the opportunity to travel and play a schedule that is needed to build a national football power. This is how FSU did it.
With no clout to get a TV deal going independent would destroy us because we would not have a large revenue stream. The BE TV deal will be much better than CUSA or any independent could get.
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"We will play man to man and we will pick you up at the airport." - Larry Brown
CalallenStang wrote:Texas could begin looking around again, but that would mean probably giving up LHN. [...] 4) Alternatively, Texas may start looking around, and if they leave, BE may be in a position to scoop up some of the leftovers. [...] Ramifications for all Texas schools: 1) each conference's expansion with list just got all ACC teams wiped off. Texas to B10 instead of MD? TCU to SEC instead of VT?
You're overlooking a few factors:
The Big 12 schools have signed a 13-year grant of media rights to the conference. Any school that leaves during that period does not take its media rights with it. They stay with the conference. Bottom line is, no school is leaving the Big 12, because without media rights, no other conference is taking a Big 12 team.
ND remaining indy in football means the ACC is still a basketball-first league, which isn't likely to cement the loyalty of football-first schools like Florida State. It may not be the Big 12 that lures the first football school away. May come from the SEC. If it does, Big 12 is the most likely secondary geneficiary from the fallout.
1) Schools leaving the Big 12 can buy their rights back. It just raises the exit fee a bit. A big deal for small programs, but not so much for Texas and OU
2) FSU decided not to leave when their exit fee was about $12 mil. They aren't moving with a $50 mil exit fee.
I've said for a long time that we need to seriously consider going indy if the Big East blows up in our face. We likely won't be a target for expansion by any of the Big Five conferences and we certainly wouldn't want to rejoin CUSA or MWC or whatever else would be out there.
The biggest issue would be scheduling and TV. Could we get teams to play us late in the year out of conference? Would any network dare to broadcast our games?
Independence is an absolute non-starter for SMU. There are so many reasons that its hard to even know where to begin. There's almost no way we could fill out a 12 game schedule and no, I don't think any network would have the slightest interest in our games.
With ND finally making its move though, could we be looking at a period of increased stability? The PAC-12 has indicated they are good at 12. The Big-10 has its 12 schools and doesn't seem to have many good options for new members. The SEC seems very happy at 14 and has a history of really taking their time with the expansion thing. The ACC now has 14 football and 15 basketball schools and a $50 million exit fee. That tells me they take one more basketball school and stand pat.
That leaves the Big-12. No one is going to leave due to the TV rights issue. But they may try to grow. Not sure where they go now though. Not many good options. It sounds like they have major issues with BYU and no one else brings that kind of brand. So I could see them standing at 10.
I feel like we are semi-screwed like some indicated that the b-ball school bail and make new conference or join with ND which hinders the BE image as a bball conf. This could hurt our chances at getting a good tv contract. Plus when we really needed to show up (all incoming BE schools) we flopped making us look like a over glorified CUSA conference. I wish Big 12 would of just added UH and us, doesn't matter if we got 3rd tier media rights, the stability and future would be sound, little travel expenses, fans would show up,now we are looking (have been) at a possible golden egg or a probable rotten one. Sorry for freak out message but just have to wonder what is Aresco selling points are going to be...
I feel like there's a lot of hyperbole in this discussion. The football alignment hasn't changed and the Big East is still a really good basketball conference.
When Marquette, Depaul, Cincinnati, Louisville, and South Florida joined South Florida had no basketball tradition and seemed overmatched. By being in the Big East they were able to recruit better and won 20+ games and made the tournament his year. Maybe I'm just naive, but I think UCF, SMU, and Houston can make similar leaps and SMU is set up well with a proven coach.
zimo wrote:I feel like there's a lot of hyperbole in this discussion. The football alignment hasn't changed and the Big East is still a really good basketball conference.
When Marquette, Depaul, Cincinnati, Louisville, and South Florida joined South Florida had no basketball tradition and seemed overmatched. By being in the Big East they were able to recruit better and won 20+ games and made the tournament his year. Maybe I'm just naive, but I think UCF, SMU, and Houston can make similar leaps and SMU is set up well with a proven coach.
I agree and I hope with Larry brown you are correct that we could eventually move up, but when Aresco said they were working with a team to join BE I thought it was ND (for football to be complete) only other team is BYU and most likely that will fail.
