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ND not so big a loss on Basketball side anyway....

Postby ponyscott » Wed Sep 12, 2012 5:48 pm

This from ZagsBlog:

" Notre Dame basketball coach Mike Brey is a tremendous coach on the sidelines and a great quote in the press room, and he will be missed when the Irish depart the Big East for the ACC.
His basketball team?
Not so much.
While the general perception may be that the Big East took another big hit Wednesday when news surfaced that the Irish were ACC-bound, the reality is that Notre Dame isn’t a huge factor on the basketball side.
“Not that big of a hit,” one Big East coach told SNY.tv.
While Notre Dame has made six NCAA appearances since 2003, only once during that time did they reach a Sweet 16 — and that was in 2003.
Consider that in that same time, Memphis — which joins the Big East in 2013 — made eight tourney appearances, three Elite Eights and advanced to an NCAA title game (which was later vacated).
Sure, sure, John Calipari led those teams and they came out of Conference USA, but most coaches will tell you Memphis — and Temple, which made an Elite Eight in 2001 — are better programs than Notre Dame.
And probably just as good as Pittsburgh and West Virginia, which also left or are leaving the Big East.
In fact, Brey was a proponent himself of adding Memphis, Temple and even Houston to the Big East.
“I think Temple would be great,” Brey, who did not return a phone message Wednesday, told SNY.tv a year ago. “I want Memphis because we need basketball star power because we’ve lost some. Memphis brings a basketball program, and we’ve just lost two horses. We need to be mindful of our basketball stuff. And I think Houston can give us a little bit. Memphis really gives you that star power.
“I like a Temple and a Memphis and a Houston because of their basketball. I don’t really care about their football.”
Yes, this whole deal would’ve been worse for the Big East if Notre Dame played football in the league, but they don’t, so it’s not that much of a loss.
And when you consider that ACC Commissioner John Swofford has stated that his league will stop with 15 basketball teams and not expand to 16, that is also good news for the Big East.
UConn and/or Rutgers could still be pursued by, say, the Big Ten, but they won’t be heading to the ACC anytime soon.
Sure, losing Syracuse was the biggest blow to Big East hoops. And the Orange will never be replaced, even if it’s still hard to imagine Syracuse fans traveling to Greensboro, N.C., for a basketball tournament in anything close to the same numbers they bring to the Garden each March.
Louisville and Cincinnati are also likely to stay put in the Big East while the Big 12 remains at 10 teams.
And old-school Big East stalwarts like Georgetown, Villanova and St. John’s remain alongside newer powers like Marquette.
So, all in all, while we will miss Mike Brey in the press room, his team won’t be that huge of a loss."
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Re: ND not so big a loss on Basketball side anyway....

Postby hoopmanx » Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:01 pm

Yea, I'm not sweating ND. I would like to see Big East hoops, add some more star power though.
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Postby PoconoPony » Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:08 pm

hoopmanx wrote:Yea, I'm not sweating ND. I would like to see Big East hoops, add some more star power though.


It would really be nice to see ND on the schedule; however, the ND loss means at least one more BE school will leave for the ACC to balance out their 16 team needs. It is the next team that is lost that might have huge impact on basketball and that is what the ND defection really sets in motion.
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Re: ND not so big a loss on Basketball side anyway....

Postby CalallenStang » Thu Sep 13, 2012 11:06 pm

PoconoPony wrote:
hoopmanx wrote:Yea, I'm not sweating ND. I would like to see Big East hoops, add some more star power though.


It would really be nice to see ND on the schedule; however, the ND loss means at least one more BE school will leave for the ACC to balance out their 16 team needs. It is the next team that is lost that might have huge impact on basketball and that is what the ND defection really sets in motion.


Not really. The ACC has said that it has no plans to add a 16th basketball school, and in fact, 15 may work better for scheduling (not sure how that works, I just read it somewhere)
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Re: ND not so big a loss on Basketball side anyway....

Postby SMU 86 » Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:39 am

Zero loss on the football side.
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Postby EastStang » Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:14 pm

Would Butler be a good addition to the BE for all sports? I don't think so, but they have a heck of a good hoops team. I think Xavier of Ohio, might interest Nova, Georgetown, Providence, St. Johns and the other Catholic schools in the conference.
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Postby CalallenStang » Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:17 pm

EastStang wrote:Would Butler be a good addition to the BE for all sports? I don't think so, but they have a heck of a good hoops team. I think Xavier of Ohio, might interest Nova, Georgetown, Providence, St. Johns and the other Catholic schools in the conference.


No football team. First you see if BYU wants an all-sports membership because if they do, that would be a great carrot to offer them to see if they will put their football in. If they don't, then we go and get BYU football, Air Force football, or Fresno State football and then Butler for all sports except football.

Xavier would probably be blocked by Cincinnati
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Postby LHS81 » Sat Sep 15, 2012 6:49 pm

St Louis? Just make sure to hide the towels when Majerus returns.
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Postby CalallenStang » Sat Sep 15, 2012 6:51 pm

LHS81 wrote:St Louis? Just make sure to hide the towels when Majerus returns.


SLU has an anti-athletics adminstration which was the reason why Majerus even looked at our job.
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Postby RGV Pony » Sat Sep 15, 2012 7:00 pm

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Re: ND not so big a loss on Basketball side anyway....

Postby CalallenStang » Sat Sep 15, 2012 7:02 pm

RGV Pony wrote:Unlv


Worse football than ours, and not in geographic footprint for basketball
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Postby RGV Pony » Sat Sep 15, 2012 7:07 pm

I'm thinking about roadtrips. Could give two shxts about football right now. Give me a cpl days
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Re: ND not so big a loss on Basketball side anyway....

Postby CalallenStang » Sat Sep 15, 2012 7:23 pm

RGV Pony wrote:I'm thinking about roadtrips. Could give two shxts about football right now. Give me a cpl days


Completely understand
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Re: ND not so big a loss on Basketball side anyway....

Postby Water Pony » Mon Sep 17, 2012 1:18 pm

Since I live in Chicago, I wanted to travel to South Bend to see SMU play Notre Dame in basketball, However, Marquette and DePaul offer closer options for a Chicagoan to come an see SMU BE basketball. I expect LB to be recruiting in Chicago too.

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Re: ND not so big a loss on Basketball side anyway....

Postby hoopmanx » Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:57 pm

Water Pony wrote:Since I live in Chicago, I wanted to travel to South Bend to see SMU play Notre Dame in basketball, However, Marquette and DePaul offer closer options for a Chicagoan to come an see SMU BE basketball. I expect LB to be recruiting in Chicago too.

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Im pretty sure Jerrance Howard almost exclusively recruits chicago. Guy is living up there since taking the SMu job
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