Gilbert is not the problem

SMUCRAZY · Post by **SMUCRAZY** » Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:43 am

Are you kidding me this is supposed to be a 5 star recruit,also he is a junior with big 12 experience..Like i said before one of the worst qb i have ever seen here..JJ is out of here and please take the careless players and coaches with you..A coaches fifth year should show drastic improvement not crappy,halfass and unemotional ways...Looks like just here for the money to me..It is really a shame this has ended up this way..A total bust............

03Mustang · Post by **03Mustang** » Sun Sep 30, 2012 12:08 pm

GG wasn't good, but our WRs aren't in the game mentally and don't fight for the ball. In a system with no designed routes you have to have WRs that want to go get it, as the passes are not always going to be right in stride (remember, no designed routes...).

Gilbert made some very ill-advised throws, most notably to Jeremy Johnson in double coverage right in the middle of the field, but not all were as bad as they appeared at first glance. The pass to Thompson that was picked along the SMU sideline was just as much the WR's fault as he gave up entirely on getting the ball. I'd send him to the practice squad immediately for that BS.

Beasley, Sanders, Robinson, and even freaking Bobby Chase would have fought for the ball more than these mentally weak players. After all the early drops GG started forcing it and became part of the problem, but the biggest blame for the on the field plays lays with the WRs, no doubt.

Overall it's on the coaches, of course, for the terrible recruiting of WRs that can't catch, don't care, and aren't able to understand the system well enough to do their jobs.

Our defense, O-line, and running backs are doing it well, and I don't think Gilbert is as far away as many think. Everyone else needs to get with the damn program or get the hell out.

Treadway21 · Post by **Treadway21** » Sun Sep 30, 2012 1:39 pm

You mean running back. Jones did not put another back on the field.

03Mustang · Post by **03Mustang** » Sun Sep 30, 2012 1:44 pm

Treadway21 wrote:You mean running back. Jones did not put another back on the field.

Correct. Further proof that coaching is the primary issue.

SMU_Alumni11 · Post by **SMU_Alumni11** » Sun Sep 30, 2012 3:22 pm

SMUCRAZY wrote:Are you kidding me this is supposed to be a 5 star recruit,also he is a junior with big 12 experience..Like i said before one of the worst qb i have ever seen here..JJ is out of here and please take the careless players and coaches with you..A coaches fifth year should show drastic improvement not crappy,halfass and unemotional ways...Looks like just here for the money to me..It is really a shame this has ended up this way..A total bust............

Put in NFL QB and we still would have lost. Its the WRs that are mainly to be blamed for 3/4 quarters. yes GG made mistakes, but I would say 4 at the most. I say each WR made at least 15-20 mistakes each. Whether it was them outstandingly dropping the ball, or the ones that couldnt get open by jogging.

Gotcha · Post by **Gotcha** » Sun Sep 30, 2012 3:51 pm

I agree, Gilbert isn't what was hoped for, but he isn't the reason this team is in trouble. Think back to the day Orsini and Turner took Jones back to SMU after he crapped all over SMU's Big East announcement and recruiting trip. The inability to fire his [deleted] and send a message is why you have to put up with what you are seeing on the field. Rid yourself of the devil and life will get better. He deserves credit in getting the program some national exposure, however, his dis-service to SMU shouldn't be tolerated.

JasonB · Post by **JasonB** » Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:16 pm

We have graduated three NFL players at WR and not replaced them with quality players. Last year we graduated 2 NFL players on the OL and lack quality there as well.

It isn't the scheme, coaching, or the QB (well, can't evaluate with the other missing pieces).

It would be interesting to analyze how many players we have recruited at OL over the last couple of years, and who we have missed on from an evaluation standpoint. Lasecki is going to be a good center, but remember how much McJunk struggled his freshman year? The fact that he is playing and we had to move McJunk is an illustration of how bad off we are at guard.

Even good teams will struggle if they have to play young offensive lineman. Marcus absolutely dominated the frosh TCU was playing at RT.

Our struggles are not about what happened last year. They are about the players we recruited in the 2009 and 2010 classes not making an impact.

Rebel10 · Post by **Rebel10** » Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:34 pm

JasonB wrote:We have graduated three NFL players at WR and not replaced them with quality players. Last year we graduated 2 NFL players on the OL and lack quality there as well.

It isn't the scheme, coaching, or the QB (well, can't evaluate with the other missing pieces).

It would be interesting to analyze how many players we have recruited at OL over the last couple of years, and who we have missed on from an evaluation standpoint. Lasecki is going to be a good center, but remember how much McJunk struggled his freshman year? The fact that he is playing and we had to move McJunk is an illustration of how bad off we are at guard.

Even good teams will struggle if they have to play young offensive lineman. Marcus absolutely dominated the frosh TCU was playing at RT.

Our struggles are not about what happened last year. They are about the players we recruited in the 2009 and 2010 classes not making an impact.

The OL is playing fine but somehow you (and Peruna Punch) always want to focus there to shift any responsibility on the current coaching staff to coaches that are not here. I guess that is a good way to kiss up to the current staff. June has not recruited a solid QB yet and the WR recruiting has not been stellar either. The problem is not the OL.

goldenstang · Post by **goldenstang** » Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:10 pm

The OL is a problem, look at how poorly we ran the ball yesterday and the entire season. We know it isn't Zach's fault. The OL is one of many problems on this team.

Rebel10 · Post by **Rebel10** » Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:12 pm

goldenstang wrote:The OL is a problem, look at how poorly we ran the ball yesterday and the entire season. We know it isn't Zach's fault. The OL is one of many problems on this team.

Not as bad as WR and QB in my opinion.

SMU_Alumni11 · Post by **SMU_Alumni11** » Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:16 pm

Rebel10 wrote:
goldenstang wrote:The OL is a problem, look at how poorly we ran the ball yesterday and the entire season. We know it isn't Zach's fault. The OL is one of many problems on this team.

Not as bad as WR and QB in my opinion.

Have to filter, its the WRs. Clear as day, you cant have % complete go up if the guys keep dropping the ball... no passing game = no running game (cant blame ZL (no on has thankfully). OL isnt good but they are young so oh well. WRs are suppose to be our biggest strength and yet I would go over to the Scots and ask for their WRs from now on then this garbage set of WRs (at least the older ones)

westexSMU · Post by **westexSMU** » Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:14 pm

Gilbert is not the whole problem, but on a night when the D is playing That Good, Five Interceptions will not get it done. The one INT. Gilbert forced in the second quarter, that was returned from TCU territory to the SMU 8 yard line, basically was the winning TD. Some INTs.late in the game put us in a hole also.

SMU_Alumni11 · Post by **SMU_Alumni11** » Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:18 pm

westexSMU wrote:Gilbert is not the whole problem, but on a night when the D is playing That Good, Five Interceptions will not get it done. The one INT. Gilbert forced in the second quarter, that was returned from TCU territory to the SMU 8 yard line, basically was the winning TD. Some INTs.late in the game put us in a hole also.

5? I swear it was only 4. 2 of them I agree with that they just were r-tard status throws. However I symphathize with him because convert this to baseball, GG is the pitcher and he throws couple HR pitches, but most the time he throws it and its routine ground ball and the infielders (WRs) throw it into the stands. Those throws are what cost us the game, not the normal interceptions that can happen often in a rainy game

Mustangs35SMU · Post by **Mustangs35SMU** » Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:26 pm

SMU_Alumni11 wrote:5? I swear it was only 4.

He threw one to end the game bringing the total to 5.

SMU_Alumni11 · Post by **SMU_Alumni11** » Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:32 pm

Mustangs35SMU wrote:
SMU_Alumni11 wrote:5? I swear it was only 4.

He threw one to end the game bringing the total to 5.

ohhh right thats right, well i discount that only because our team cant hurry it up and JJ burned a freaking TO with that stupid Onside kick... you thought he would have learned from last years A&M game...

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