Columbus Givens

[mavsrage311]

emmanuel sanders too

[mavsrage311]

emmanuel sanders too

[HorsePower]

Listening to the audio of the press conference, Coach Bennett said he's being recruited as an athlete. He said he'd start out at WR, but also might play RB, or even QB. Sounds like his options are many.

[Stallion]

according to an Athens newspaper aticle dated February 28, 2005, SMU signee Columbus Givens recently double signed(apparently after signing with SMU) a letter of intent with Trinity Valley Community College. Although I sure hope Givens can become eligible at SMU by August it is a sign that SMU is willing to wait on certain recruits to see if they can become eligible after the February signing date-something that most of our competitors have done pretty regularly in the past. I'm not aware of any SMU recruits who have double signed in the past although there are reports that perhaps Kelvin Cox signed while not yet fully qualified-or at least a predicted qualifier. If so I say it is a positive sign especially if the kid makes it. Reports are that TCU signed at least 4 top quality recruits who might not qualify. BTW that Pasa Mohetu kid from Euless Trinity also signed with TCJC at the same time.

[PK]

TCJC or TVCC?

[Stallion]

TVCC

[mavsrage311]

I thought he was our best recruit this year, it's probably debatable between him and Willis...but this might explain why he wasn't as heavily recruited by other schools...this kid can play

[SWC2010]

according to an Athens newspaper aticle dated February 28, 2005, SMU signee Columbus Givens recently double signed(apparently after signing with SMU) a letter of intent with Trinity Valley Community College. Although I sure hope Givens can become eligible at SMU by August it is a sign that SMU is willing to wait on certain recruits to see if they can become eligible after the February signing date-something that most of our competitors have done pretty regularly in the past. I'm not aware of any SMU recruits who have double signed in the past although there are reports that perhaps Kelvin Cox signed while not yet fully qualified-or at least a predicted qualifier. If so I say it is a positive sign especially if the kid makes it. Reports are that TCU signed at least 4 top quality recruits who might not qualify. BTW that Pasa Mohetu kid from Euless Trinity also signed with TCJC at the same time.

Day after 'signing day', it was reported in a couple of TX newspapers that Givens had double-signed with SMU/TVCC. This new article may reflect that his SAT/ACT may have come back with disappointing results which means he's heading the JC route.

[Stallion]

there are still several SAT/ACT testing dates before August plus the sliding scale for GPA and SAT/ACT could be affected by final spring semester grades.

[jtstang]

there are still several SAT/ACT testing dates before August plus the sliding scale for GPA and SAT/ACT could be affected by final spring semester grades.

With this breakthrough tactic, along with a renewed willingness to shop for Jucos, what's left before the Stallion Model is fully implemented? Update please.

[Stallion]

well I think the coaches are most concerned with the fact that when a recruit gets a bad grade or SAT/GPA score SMU averages the two scores while many schools simply care if the kid passed, SMU needs curiculm changes, and it appears to me that SMU is basically signing JUCOs who were full qualifiers out of high school or made up a bad grade in Prep school or community college. They've come along way and those that have followed my criticisms know that I have reduced the severity of my criticism almost in direct proportion to the extent of the reduction in the stupidity and harmfulness of the policies.

[jtstang]

I assume by cirriculum changes you are talking about fostering easier transfer from JC? Also, on the jucos who are coming, are you suggesting we are not getting the best guys we can without taking risks on non-qualifiers? What good does it do to take a guy who got A's in basket weaving at BFJC if he's going to flunk out at SMU? I guess I see your point, but I'm not sure I agree the best athletes are also the academic non-achievers in HS.

And what's up with the averaging of test scores? That's the first I've heard of that.

And I know you've lightened up as changes were made. But a lot of changes have been made, so the question is obvious: When does all of this translate to wins on the football field?

[Stallion]

actually I've been told by a member of the football staff in the last few months that their biggest remaining concern academically is that SMU forces a recruit- to average a retaken class or score while other schools simply take the higher score. As for when the improvement starts-you will see noticeable improvement within the next two years. Not predicting bowl games just yet but the program will improve based partly on the concession made in recruiting standards. However, I don't think we have laid the framework for a consistently successful program in either FB or BB. In fact, I don't think there is a class in either the football or Basketball program that will be on campus when SMU is a consistently successful in either program. It's a ways off.

[jtstang]

However, I don't think we have laid the framework for a consistently successful program in either FB or BB. In fact, I don't think there is a class in either the football or Basketball program that will be on campus when SMU is a consistently successful in either program. It's a ways off.

Well that's friggin depressing. What more "framework" is needed for consistent success? Just the passage of time under the new "model"?

[Stallion]

What I mean by that is that I wouldn't be surprised if, for example, a good 2003 recruiting class might spearhead a bowl game or a winning season in say 2006 especially if the schedule was on the weak side with say NTSU, Arkansas St, and Texas St. In other words I think there is a possibility that SMU could have a Tulsa scenario(bowl game after an extremely weak schedule and then have a losing record the next season) rather than a TCU scenario( a consistent 5-6 year bowl team that was somewhat nationally competitive). To have a consistently competitive team SMU will have to consistently recruit top talent-something I don't believe they have done in either Football or Basketball. The C-USA West is pretty darn weak and someone will have to win it every year.