Why we must be headed to PAC

[Samurai Stang]

Still, no one here can make a case for how SMU, or Houston for that matter, expands the pie for the Pac-12 in terms of revenue. Look, I'd love to see us go to the Pac-12 too. It just doesn't make any sense on their end. If you're running a company that makes $1 million a year and has 12 employees, are you going to bring on two extra people who don't produce any extra revenue?

The case had been made several times in this thread alone. People have explained that SMU and Houston could be of value because they are located in large markets, along with a host of other reasons.

It is not that no argument has been made. It is that you find these arguments unsatisfactory.

[StallionsModelT]

Look, all of this is purely hypothetical.

In the REAL WORLD, if the PAC feels compelled to get to 16 teams and is locked out from snagging UT/OU/Tech/OSU then there are simply too few other options available to them that make sense before they have to knock on SMU and Houston's door.

Again, however, there will be no PAC expansion unless it is agreed upon by all "super-conferences" that it will require 16 teams.

[StallionsModelT]

As far as revenue goes I think you can certainly make the argument that having greater access to two of the largest media markets in the country is advantageous for a conference. It doesn't matter that SMU nor Houston carry their respective markets but that they have a presence there that provides greater access for the other members of the conference.

[1983 Cotton Bowl]

This is a fun thread. But SMU to the PAC aint gonna happen, period. Total pipe dream.

Now if you want to come back to this theory in a few years when we've had some nationally-ranked football teams, played in some big bowls, regularly sell out Ford, and have made a few NCAA tourney runs in BB, it might hold a little more water. But conferences like the PAC don't pluck small mid-major programs with a minimal fan base and mediocre athletics out of thin air and invite them to the big party. If SMU truly wants to leverage Dallas, its going to have to show that it can actually make Dallas notice what's happening on the Hilltop. Right now SMU is a total zero to about 98% of DFW. Larry Brown just might be the first step in changing that. June, for all he's done here (which is considerable), has failed to move the needle.

[Comet]

This is a fun thread. But SMU to the PAC aint gonna happen, period. Total pipe dream.

Now if you want to come back to this theory in a few years when we've had some nationally-ranked football teams, played in some big bowls, regularly sell out Ford, and have made a few NCAA tourney runs in BB, it might hold a little more water. But conferences like the PAC don't pluck small mid-major programs with a minimal fan base and mediocre athletics out of thin air and invite them to the big party. If SMU truly wants to leverage Dallas, its going to have to show that it can actually make Dallas notice what's happening on the Hilltop. Right now SMU is a total zero to about 98% of DFW. Larry Brown just might be the first step in changing that. June, for all he's done here (which is considerable), has failed to move the needle.

For all the **** I have given June this year, I'd say he has moved the needle. SMU stories appear on the radio, tv, and newspaper with much more regularity than before. Sure, it's nothing ridiculous like the attention TCU has gotten, but it's gotten significantly better.

Anyway, with that said, rumors from other boards state that SMU, Houston, Boise State, and SDSU are in talks with as many as 3 other BCS conferences. I said it in a joke in another board, but how funny would it be if the PAC just grabbed those 4 schools. They get to grab the top non-BCS teams from their region while expanding into Texas. It wouldn't happen for many reasons, but it isn't completely absurd either.

[StallionsModelT]

SMU and Houston have about 10000000000x better odds of joining the PAC than San Diego State and Boise State. Everything about expansion at this point is about adding market value and exposure. None of the power conferences are in need of adding "prestige" programs as their places at the table are virtually assured. The conferences in flux (Big East and ACC) are the ones who are shaking in their boots. PAC, Big 12, Big 10, and SEC are in great shape.

San Diego has the unfortunate luck of being blanketed by the other CA schools in the PAC. Boise is a geographical nightmare logistically and isn't even in the top 200 in TV markets.

[East Coast Mustang]

Still, no one here can make a case for how SMU, or Houston for that matter, expands the pie for the Pac-12 in terms of revenue. Look, I'd love to see us go to the Pac-12 too. It just doesn't make any sense on their end. If you're running a company that makes $1 million a year and has 12 employees, are you going to bring on two extra people who don't produce any extra revenue?

The case had been made several times in this thread alone. People have explained that SMU and Houston could be of value because they are located in large markets, along with a host of other reasons.

It is not that no argument has been made. It is that you find these arguments unsatisfactory.

Well, because as has been explained many times by myself and others, we don't deliver the Dallas market, and UH doesn't deliver the Houston market. Remember when Texas cable providers balked for months on the Longhorn Network? I'm sure they'll be falling over themselves to carry the Pac-16 Network with SMU and Houston, though!

[Peruna94&07]

Still, no one here can make a case for how SMU, or Houston for that matter, expands the pie for the Pac-12 in terms of revenue. Look, I'd love to see us go to the Pac-12 too. It just doesn't make any sense on their end. If you're running a company that makes $1 million a year and has 12 employees, are you going to bring on two extra people who don't produce any extra revenue?

The case had been made several times in this thread alone. People have explained that SMU and Houston could be of value because they are located in large markets, along with a host of other reasons.

It is not that no argument has been made. It is that you find these arguments unsatisfactory.

Well, because as has been explained many times by myself and others, we don't deliver the Dallas market, and UH doesn't deliver the Houston market. Remember when Texas cable providers balked for months on the Longhorn Network? I'm sure they'll be falling over themselves to carry the Pac-16 Network with SMU and Houston, though!

The question is how many alumni/fans live in these markets that support not SMU/Houston, but USC, UCLA, Standford etc. If there is a sizable fan base for those programs in Dallas an Houston then it might make sense. The thing we don't know is that 10 gazillion fans for 50k.

[East Coast Mustang]

The question is how many alumni/fans live in these markets that support not SMU/Houston, but USC, UCLA, Standford etc. If there is a sizable fan base for those programs in Dallas an Houston then it might make sense. The thing we don't know is that 10 gazillion fans for 50k.

Not that many? I don't know about you, and I can't speak for Houston, but I don't see a lot of USC, UCLA, Oregon, or Stanford shirts or bumper stickers around DFW. Certainly not enough to justify U-Verse, Time Warner, and Charter to charge an extra $1 or whatever per subscriber for the Pac-12 network

[dcpony]

Well, because as has been explained many times by myself and others, we don't deliver the Dallas market, and UH doesn't deliver the Houston market. Remember when Texas cable providers balked for months on the Longhorn Network? I'm sure they'll be falling over themselves to carry the Pac-16 Network with SMU and Houston, though!

You can say this about SMU and Houston joining the Big East. And Rutgers does not deliver the NYC market as well but the Big 10 alums living in NYC do.

See this Nate Silver piece on CFB markets and ratings. http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/0 ... ent-chaos/

[East Coast Mustang]

Well, because as has been explained many times by myself and others, we don't deliver the Dallas market, and UH doesn't deliver the Houston market. Remember when Texas cable providers balked for months on the Longhorn Network? I'm sure they'll be falling over themselves to carry the Pac-16 Network with SMU and Houston, though!

You can say this about SMU and Houston joining the Big East. And Rutgers does not deliver the NYC market as well but the Big 10 alums living in NYC do.

See this Nate Silver piece on CFB markets and ratings. http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/0 ... ent-chaos/

Yeah, but the BE taking SMU and Houston was a desperation move. Also, NYC is the #1 market in the country and does have a lot of B10 alumni- much different than the DFW market & the P12

[dcpony]

It'd be interesting to see how many PAC 12 alums were in DFW and Houston.

[alamocitystang]

If we weren't so desperate I would say screw the PAC. The fact they have a problem with religious schools is sickening. I hope one day those California nutjobs have a taste of own "tolerance" medicine. Couch'em unfortunately you look to be right. They are the only hope however it's weird they haven't been in any of the gossip since they feel so stable as-is. I rather us be in big 12 or SEC but neither of those conferences are looking for a vandy or Baylor.

Ok pat Robertson. Remember 8 months ago wen u hated Mormons? Don't u have a political message board to harass?

[ponyinNC]

I wouldn't pay too much mind to the twitter story. This guy is notorious for starting things up that have absolutely ZERO cred - he is "the dude from WV" and keeps changing his name, but the game remains the same.

I follow the realignment baords pretty regularly on CSNbbs, and this guy has been called out time and time again. He throws a bunch of crap at the wall to see what sticks.

I'm sorry guys, I don't see how we go to PAC. Just makes no sense. I get the TV market argument, but that is not enough to move the needle for me. Down the line, it may become a possibility...but we have a lot of work to do.

That being said, wouldn't it blow your mind if we pulled a TCU and left he Big East before even playing a down?

[StallionsModelT]

If our home schedule looked like this:

UNT
TCU
UCLA
Arizona
Colorado
Oregon
USC

You would see nearly every game a sellout and the amount of interest from the casual sports fan in Dallas would certainly come to SMU and watch a game.