Hyman Leaves TCU/Mountain West For South Carolina

[SWC2010]

When C-USA expands, we will welcome the froggies back along with UNT.

Diamond, you're on to something.

Over the next few years, CUSA will add UNT, TCU, & Baylor.

Stay tuned...................

Don't Bogart that joint SWC2010...pass it around. Baylor ain't going anywhere. Too much cash involved in being in a BCS conference and the conference needs a doormat.

Passed to ya, PK. But c'mon, it's the Big "XI" & Baylor.

Save and except the recent juggernaut of Lady Bear BB, BU athletics is waning. Do you think BU FB would have won the CUSA, WAC, or MWC last season?

And, who's to say that the Big XII would not go after Iowa or Ark?

Both are good programs who have little chance of winning BIG 10 & SEC FB championships on any regular basis. Bu they could compete in BIG XII, especially in FB & BB. And it would be more regional.

[gostangs]

Can you pick out the common theme below?

Arkansas ain't leaving the SEC - it pays out more money then any other conference.

Baylor ain't leaving big 12 - it pays out too much money.

Big 12 ain't booting baylor - they don't have the votes because there is not anyone that everyone would agree could come in and make everyone more money.

TCU went west because they think it will make them more money -

When it does not, CUSA will let them back if it makes the conference more money then any of the other alternatives.


You guys who get hung up on W's and L's are clueless to the whole conference membership criteria. Unless it is about money - conference membership discussions are irrelevant.

By the way why did Eric go to South Carolina? - Thats right - to make more money.

[Hoop Fan]

I agree that TCU would be welcomed back because of money, but I dont see how you can say winning doesnt matter to the whole thing.

Winning=Bowl Games=$$
Winning=Attendance and TV=$$
Winning=March Madness=$$

[SWC2010]

Can you pick out the common theme below?

Arkansas ain't leaving the SEC - it pays out more money then any other conference.

Baylor ain't leaving big 12 - it pays out too much money.

Big 12 ain't booting baylor - they don't have the votes because there is not anyone that everyone would agree could come in and make everyone more money.

TCU went west because they think it will make them more money -

When it does not, CUSA will let them back if it makes the conference more money then any of the other alternatives.


You guys who get hung up on W's and L's are clueless to the whole conference membership criteria. Unless it is about money - conference membership discussions are irrelevant.

By the way why did Eric go to South Carolina? - Thats right - to make more money.

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Yeah, Stang, I do get hung up on W/L, just like the BU supporters do. Money does come into play, but BU is getting lit up every year in Big Xii.

It takes 6 wins (minimum) to get a bowl bid. So, how does BU pencil whip that offer? It will take another 'Brazos' miracle to beat UT. A&M & Tech have stepped to the next level. OU owns everybody, & OkSt keeps improving. BU only plays KU & I.St. alternate seasons for any hopes of "W". Where are the wins, Stang? BU Alums do NOT care about the Big XII money- they want to go Bowling.

Beyond that, all the conferences are constantly working to improve their lot against other BCS conferences. Lady Bears excepting, BU does nothing to enhance Big XII.

This will not happen immediately, it will take time (hence my monikor SWC2010). But schools like BU, TCU, Vandy, etal, will have to look for alternatives if they are to please their Alums with bowl games.

Now, if we could blow up the BCS, I met recant my statement.

[Stallion]

well to be fair they have beaten A&M and Colorado in the last two years. How long has it been since SMU has had victories like that? At least 20 years ago. They paid big money to get a quality coach-and he's got his work cut out for him-but I'm starting to see some better signs out of Baylor.

[Stallion]

well to be fair they have beaten A&M and Colorado in the last two years. How long has it been since SMU has had victories like that? At least 20 years ago. They paid big money to get a quality coach-and he's got his work cut out for him-but I'm starting to see some better signs out of Baylor.

[PK]

Well, to be fair Stallion as you say, our last two games with A&M were rather good games...one a tie and one lost by a questionable last second touchdown by A&M in College Station. And to be fair those A&M teams were better than last year's A&M team. Let's also not forget our series of wins over Arkansas. All the games mentioned above have occured in the last 10 years...to be fair.

[Water Pony]

I am confused by this thread.

BCS access is more critical than an occasion bowl in a non-BCS conference. BU Alums aren't stupid enough to give up the money for a chance to go Memphis or Mobile and neither would Vanderbilt or Northwestern, despite the attractiveness of getting like-minded, academic schools together. Besides, aren't Baylor and Wake Forest comparable in everything, except in Men's FB and BB

BTW, Iowa would never bolt for the Big XII. They are a Chicago suburb; only five hours away. But, you could make a case for Arkansas, who sits between XII and the SEC.

[Dement-ed]

There's not a single reason why Arkansas would leave the SEC. They wear ridiculous pig hats up there, but they're not that stupid.

[RGV Pony]

Did anyone read Copeland's comments on the Hyman hiring & TCU in today's (Sunday's) DMN? "They're (TCU) a lot like us...."

Right. Just add the administration-wide committment, six bowl games, a couple of ten-win seasons, committment to bball facility upgrades, and we're eye to eye!

[SWC2010]

well to be fair they have beaten A&M and Colorado in the last two years. How long has it been since SMU has had victories like that? At least 20 years ago. They paid big money to get a quality coach-and he's got his work cut out for him-but I'm starting to see some better signs out of Baylor.

You're right, Stallion, BU has certainly got us on beating A&M last year.

Let's see, hmmm, according to the Aggie site, you would think BU was on "DP" v. A&M [since 1980]:

A&M v. BU:
Oct. 18, 1980 College Station L 7 46
Oct. 17, 1981 Waco, Texas L 17 19
Oct. 16, 1982 College Station W 28 23
Oct. 15, 1983 Waco, Texas T 13 13
Oct. 20, 1984 College Station L 16 20
Oct. 19, 1985 Waco, Texas L 15 20
Oct. 18, 1986 College Station W 31 30
Oct. 17, 1987 Waco, Texas W 34 10
Oct. 15, 1988 College Station W 28 14
Oct. 21, 1989 Waco, Texas W 14 11
Oct. 20, 1990 College Station T 20 20
Oct. 19, 1991 Waco, Texas W 34 12
Oct. 24, 1992 College Station W 19 13
Oct. 16, 1993 Waco, Texas W 34 17
Oct. 15, 1994 College Station W 41 21
Oct. 21, 1995 Waco, Texas W 24 9
Nov. 9, 1996 Waco, Texas W 24 7
Nov. 8, 1997 College Station W 38 10
Oct. 17, 1998 Waco, Texas W 35 14
Oct. 9, 1999 College Station W 45 13
Oct. 14, 2000 Waco, Texas W 24 0
Oct. 6, 2001 College Station W 16 10
Oct. 12, 2002 Waco, Texas W 41 0
Oct. 11, 2003 College Station W 73 10
Oct. 30, 2004 Waco, Texas L (OT) 34 35

A&M v. SMU:
Nov. 1, 1980 Dallas, Texas L 0 27
Oct. 31, 1981 College Station L 7 27
Oct. 30, 1982 Dallas, Texas L 9 47
Oct. 29, 1983 College Station L 7 10
Nov. 3, 1984 Dallas, Texas L 20 28
Nov. 2, 1985 College Station W 19 17
Nov. 1, 1986 Dallas, Texas W 39 35
Nov. 4, 1989 College Station W 63 14
Nov. 3, 1990 Dallas, Texas W 38 17
Nov. 23, 1991 College Station W 65 6
Oct. 31, 1992 Dallas, Texas W 41 7
Oct. 30, 1993 College Station W 37 13
Oct. 29, 1994 San Antonio, Texas T 21 21
Oct. 14, 1995 College Station W 20 17


Since 1980-
A&M v SMU 8-5-1
A&M v BU 17-5-2

Additional History (according to A&M v. Church U):

Baylor 62 30 9
TCU 56 29 7
SMU 40 29 7

With that record & a BU loss at Ford on Sept 3rd, let's have this discussion, again.

[LakeHighlandsPony]

Did anyone read Copeland's comments on the Hyman hiring & TCU in today's (Sunday's) DMN? "They're (TCU) a lot like us...."

Right. Just add the administration-wide committment, six bowl games, a couple of ten-win seasons, committment to bball facility upgrades, and we're eye to eye!

Gee- I don't understand why BCS schools are not trying to "steal" Copeland??

[Dutch]

did anyone think his hiring was b/c he knows how to handle situations like this:

Johnson, Erving arrested for marijuanaAssociated Press
Related Video:
Sunday Conversation with Steve Spurrier

COLUMBIA, S.C. -- Two South Carolina football players were arrested early Sunday and charged with simple marijuana possession, raising the total number of Gamecocks arrested since the end of last season to 11.

Sophomore linebacker Josh Johnson, sophomore defensive back Ty Erving and another 18-year-old man were cited not far from the university after an officer smelled marijuana coming from the parked car the players were sitting in, according to a police report.

The officer ordered Johnson, Erving and Justin Johnson out of the car, according to the report, and found a small amount of marijuana.

The athletics department should receive a copy of the incident report Monday. Athletic director Mike McGee will review it before deciding whether the players should be disciplined, spokeswoman Michelle Schmitt said Sunday night.

Nine other Gamecocks players have been arrested on charges ranging from domestic violence to grand larceny.

[Dutch]

did anyone think his hiring was b/c he knows how to handle situations like this:

Johnson, Erving arrested for marijuanaAssociated Press
Related Video:
Sunday Conversation with Steve Spurrier

COLUMBIA, S.C. -- Two South Carolina football players were arrested early Sunday and charged with simple marijuana possession, raising the total number of Gamecocks arrested since the end of last season to 11.

Sophomore linebacker Josh Johnson, sophomore defensive back Ty Erving and another 18-year-old man were cited not far from the university after an officer smelled marijuana coming from the parked car the players were sitting in, according to a police report.

The officer ordered Johnson, Erving and Justin Johnson out of the car, according to the report, and found a small amount of marijuana.

The athletics department should receive a copy of the incident report Monday. Athletic director Mike McGee will review it before deciding whether the players should be disciplined, spokeswoman Michelle Schmitt said Sunday night.

Nine other Gamecocks players have been arrested on charges ranging from domestic violence to grand larceny.

[EastStang]

I don't think Baylor will ever leave the Big XII unless there is a great schism in the Big XII and frankly they are all swimming in so much cash, they don't care. However, fissures are showing. UT is getting tired of not going to the Big XII championship game which it can't do because it can't seem to beat the Sooners. So, will it bolt the Big XII to form another conference? What would that conference look like? If you had UT, A&M, TT, Arkansas, you would have a pretty good start to a recognized television conference. Who would they add? Would they add OU and OSU? Would they add in old SWC mates like SMU, TCU, Baylor, Rice and UH? Would they go after Tulane to add another media market? UTEP? If you made a new conference and put OU in a different division from UT, it would have a ready made trip to the conference finals. I could see a division format that was UT, UH, A&M, Rice, Tulane and Baylor. OU, OSU, TT, SMU, TCU, and Ark. Of course this scenario will never happen, but its about as likely as Baylor leaving the Big XII.