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So you honestly think that Wisconsin was the best team in the Big 10 this year?PK wrote: So now when you get to the playoffs for the "national championship", the best of each conference is playing for the championship. Conference championships don't count the patsies played for out of conference games and therefore the sometimes inflated "won-loss" records.
I don't follow big 10, so was Nebraskas' better w/l record including ooc games or just conference games? Does one division of the big 10 have a better rating, i.e., hence a better SOS? Are you assuming that Wisconsin would not have been able to beat the ooc teams Nebraska played which perhaps would have increased Wisconsin's SOS? I don't really know all the information you know, but if Wisconsin won the championship game, then they were probably the better team...at least when it mattered.MustangStealth wrote:So you honestly think that Wisconsin was the best team in the Big 10 this year?PK wrote: So now when you get to the playoffs for the "national championship", the best of each conference is playing for the championship. Conference championships don't count the patsies played for out of conference games and therefore the sometimes inflated "won-loss" records.
Even though Nebraska had a better W/L record, a better SOS, a better record against the top 30, and they split their head to head games?
Both played a similar OOC schedule. Nebraska was 7-1 in conference, Wisconsin was 4-4. Your last statement is exactly the problem I have. These 2 teams played twice and split the games... why does the second one count and not the first? In my opinion the whole season should matter.PK wrote: I don't really know all the information you know, but if Wisconsin won the championship game, then they were probably the better team...at least when it mattered.
OK, this was a fluke situation with Ohio State being ineligible. Most of the time you would actually have the best of each division playing each other. In this situation conference rules did not take in to account problems like this. However, Nebraska has nobody to blame except themselves and should be totally embarassed letting Wisconsin beat them. That's almost as bad as us letting Tulane win.MustangStealth wrote:Both played a similar OOC schedule. Nebraska was 7-1 in conference, Wisconsin was 4-4. Your last statement is exactly the problem I have. These 2 teams played twice and split the games... why does the second one count and not the first? In my opinion the whole season should matter.PK wrote: I don't really know all the information you know, but if Wisconsin won the championship game, then they were probably the better team...at least when it mattered.
It is just like a round robin bracket played before the elimination round. The round robin determines the rankings for the elimination round. The elimination round determines the winner. Nebraska's regular season got them to the conference championship game. They failed when it mattered.MustangStealth wrote:These 2 teams played twice and split the games... why does the second one count and not the first? In my opinion the whole season should matter.
There are numerous examples of this. Just look at 2001, when neither #2 Nebraska or #5 Florida played in their conference championship games. Once again, if you really want to determine the best teams, you need to look at more data. Look at all of the games played, not just a subset.PK wrote:OK, this was a fluke situation with Ohio State being ineligible. Most of the time you would actually have the best of each division playing each other. In this situation conference rules did not take in to account problems like this. However, Nebraska has nobody to blame except themselves and should be totally embarassed letting Wisconsin beat them. That's almost as bad as us letting Tulane win.
A playoff doesn't solve that as the best team doesn't always win the playoff (regardless of the system).MustangStealth wrote:Once again, if you really want to determine the best teams, you need to look at more data. Look at all of the games played, not just a subset.
You are mixing points as no one is disputing a difference between conferences.MustangStealth wrote:Arguing that a conference championship trumps an overall better season means that the Sun Belt champ is more deserving of competing for the national championship than the loser of the SEC title game.
That's exactly what I am saying. In my opinion, champion should equal "best team". The BCS (a 2 team playoff) and the soon-to-be 4 team playoff are poor ways to determine that. The whole situation is likely headed in the direction of larger playoffs in the future, with preference given to conference champions (see the NCAA tournament), which will be even worse.CA Mustang wrote:A playoff doesn't solve that as the best team doesn't always win the playoff (regardless of the system).MustangStealth wrote:Once again, if you really want to determine the best teams, you need to look at more data. Look at all of the games played, not just a subset.
CA Mustang wrote:You are mixing points as no one is disputing a difference between conferences.MustangStealth wrote:Arguing that a conference championship trumps an overall better season means that the Sun Belt champ is more deserving of competing for the national championship than the loser of the SEC title game.
If we have to have playoffs, it is crucial that the best teams are involved, period. Watering them down with 8-5 conference champions when there are more deserving teams is anticlimactic.PK wrote: Everyone in the conference has played every one else...for the most part . In other words their records within the conference determine the two teams that have the best overall records and play for the conference championship. So since these records include all the conference games it does not matter that the winner was better at the end of the season than at the beginning...they had the best in conference records when it was all said and done. So now when you get to the playoffs for the "national championship", the best of each conference is playing for the championship.
