Observations from Happy Hour

[huntnfish]

let's see:
1994: Bordano 2nd All-SWC
1995: Swann 1st Team All-SWC
1996: Swann 1st Team All WAC
Bordano 1st Team All WAC
1997: Simonton 1st Team All WAC
1998: Simonton 1st Team All WAC
2001: Viloria 1st Team All WAC
2002: Viloria 1st Team All WAC

BCS conference and not being able to compete- Swann made 167 tackles in 1995 against the following schools on the schedule: Arkansas, Wisconsin, Texas, A&M, OU

Stallion- your logic makes no sense- and by this same logic Major Applewhite was not better than Chris Simms b/c he did not go pro like Simms- and we ALL know Applewhite was the better college QB

[huntnfish]

let's see:
1994: Bordano 2nd All-SWC
1995: Swann 1st Team All-SWC
1996: Swann 1st Team All WAC
Bordano 1st Team All WAC
1997: Bordano 1st Team All WAC
1998: Simonton 1st Team All WAC
1999: Simonton 1st Team All WAC
2001: Viloria 1st Team All WAC
2002: Viloria 1st Team All WAC

BCS conference and not being able to compete- Swann made 167 tackles in 1995 against the following schools on the schedule: Arkansas, Wisconsin, Texas, A&M, OU

Stallion- your logic makes no sense- and by this same logic Major Applewhite was not better than Chris Simms b/c he did not go pro like Simms- and we ALL know Applewhite was the better college QB

[Higher Authority]

I was waiting for somebody to post that. You just listed a number of small NFL LBs who made it in the NFL. Explain to me why none of our small LBs even got so much as a sniff from the Indoor Football League? This is the third time I've posted they were overachievers. But they ain't no Mike Singletary or Derrick Johnson either unless of course you are grading on the SMU grading curve which is very popular around here.

Thanks for helping me make my point. Mike Singletary was terrible, too -- he's too short.

[Stallion]

too bad some of you have never seen a DOMINATING SMU player. We had about 20 dominating players in the 1980s who were easily better than the one listed above. Perhaps we should have Mustang greats who were among the best in College Football and Pony Greats(or Mustang-lite) for those who played when we decided to play Ivy League Football. This may be hard for you to take but there is not even one player in the last 15 years who would rank among the Top 25-30 (hell I doubt Top 50 but I don't want to come up with that list) in SMU History. Just because you guys grade on the NEW SMU grading curve doesn't mean I have to.

[jtstang]

too bad some of you have never seen a DOMINATING SMU player. We had about 20 dominating players in the 1980s who were easily better than the one listed above.

And look what that got us. The Death Penalty. They should all give every dime back.

[huntnfish]

Here you go contradicting yourself, once again - Bordano was 2nd Team All SWC and Swann 1st Team All SWC- the other coaches in the SWC conference recognized this yet you can't- you really should go into coaching with all of your knowledge- everyones original point was we need more guys like those we mentioned at LB- yet none of them would have gotten a chance with you at the helm

[Stallion]

you're calling guys who weren't even among the Top 20 at their position in the country DOMINATING. Go sell that to the Mustang Club Happy Hour Crowd. Off the top of my head dominating SMU football players were
Dickerson
Walker
Rote
Shuford
Gregg
James
McIllhenny
Shepard
Roan
Dupard
Michael Carter
Russell Carter
Armstrong
Ball
Moten
Simmons
Jones
Maxson
Morris
Kelcher
Richards
Ferguson
Hammond
LaGrone
LeVias

I think that took me 6 minutes off the Top of my head. When SMU produces a player that can play in that group then you can get away with calling them DOMINATE-otherwise they be known as Pony Greats(Mustang Lite)

[huntnfish]

Stallion- you still never answered the All-SWC point, but I understand you avoiding it- also I did not know we were talking SMU greats (all positions) - the original conversation was we could use another string of MLB's like we had in the 1990s - I agree that none of those guys are among the Top 20 SMU Greats including all positions- but they are SMU greats when it comes to the position of LB and Bordano, Swann and Viloria could all have played for the teams in the 1980s- if you don't believe this then you really are an idiot

[Stallion]

even though LB was SMU's weakest position on the field-Bordano is the only one who would have even started. Plus they likely would never have been recruited by SMU in the first place. They would have had to walkon just to make the team

[huntnfish]

Bordano was 180lbs when he was recruited out of high school- the question was not whether they would have been recruited, the question was whether they could have played for those teams of the 1980s and the answer is yes

Viloria was a very good 2-time conference player who was recruited hard by a couple of the SEC schools and Swann made 1st Team All-SWC which means he was one of the top 4 linbeackers in the conference that year and you are stating he could not have played for SMU in the 1980s at one of the 3 LB positions on the field? Come on

[Stallion]

I'm sure Viloria was "recruited" by several SEC teams-which I followed very closely-unfortunately they never came through with offers -because of his size which is why he ended up at SMU. Would those guys have played? That's another question. I'm sure they could have earned a letter but they wouldn't have starters at SMU in the 1980s in the SWC when power football was the name of the game. NO WAY do those guys start unless the starters were injured.

[huntnfish]

obviously we just disagree, but let's nail you down on the fact a guy who is 1st Team All-SWC could not start for SMU in the 1980s- if Swann or Viloria or Bordano could not have started at some point in the 1980s then who would have been ahead of them and were they 1st Team All-SWC- besides Gary Moten, obviously he was great

[Stallion]

I'm saying no 5-9 or 5-10 or 5-11 LB named Viloria, Swann and Simonton respectively would have started at SMU in the 1980s in the age of power football except in emergencies.

[huntnfish]

You did not answer my question- what other 1st Team All SWC linebacker besides Moten was there and would start in fron of those guys

Bordano made 120+ tackles in the SWC and 2nd Team
Swann was 5 foot something and made 160+ tackles in the SWC and was 1st Team

[huntnfish]

but if they were one inch taller at 6'0 they would?