Observations from Happy Hour

[Stallion]

Putt Choate once made 32 tackles and had over 230 tackles on the year. Look it up-he definitely would have started over Viloria, Simonton and Swann but his last game was 1977.

[jtstang]

Champ Dickerson was another nice '70s LB. Played later for the Cowboys, et al.

[Stallion]

I may be mixing up my McDades and Benetts but I think there was a JUCO transfer named Clarence Benett that also got some All-SWC recognition in the 1980s. You know in those days SMU had about 7 guys on the Defensive Line that played in the Pros. The LBs didn't have to make all the tackles in those days. Let me see Carter(All-Pro), Armstrong, Ball(All-Pro), Mitch Willis, B. Hunt, Tom Linebarger and Doug Hollie etc. They probably had 30 years in the Pros between them-what SMU Defensive Lineman since the DP even got a Hot Lunch at a pro camp?

[huntnfish]

Stallion, again you dodge the question- the original statement was Bordano, swann and Viloria could have played for the teams of the 1980s, I continue to give evidence but you just beat around the bush- are you a Democrat? and still waiting on the answer for how your "pro" logic is flawed b/c McIllhenny would not be able to be on your greats list- well at least you don't run the athletic program

So Cal,

there are not many post DP players which could have played but here is my try at it: Bordano, Swann, Patton, Wolf, Rhinehart, Donald Mitchell, Flanagan (would have been great at the option), Kieth Chiles- but if you want to hold me to my statement of being All-SWC so you can compare apples to apples- then it's Bordano, Swann and Patton b/c they did it

[huntnfish]

Stallion- the more you talk the easier it is to prove my point

Just think how much better Bordano & Swann would have been, and less beaten up week to week, if they had those great SMU D linemen in front of them from the 1980s

....still waiting on the answer to the McIllhenny flaw to your "pro" logic

[me@smu]

Stallion - Allan Adami is a DL from post DP who has received a hot lunch from a pro-team (Texans)

[Stallion]

you obviously never saw SMU play in the 1980s. Keith Chiles at 5-11? Patton? Woolf? Mitchell and Rhinehart might have started one year if SMU was down at position. But they were definitely behind Simmons(All-American), Rod Jones (Second Round Draft pick), Russell Carter (All-American) who started at CB and many others. Woolf couldn't have even hit the field at RB and SMU didn't have an inside recever. He would not have played at WR. Flannigan as a Senior might have beaten out Bobby Watters who was darn good as a sophmore but that's it. Flannigan was a great athlete not a great QB. Instead of a 6 year Letterman he might have lettered 2 years.

[me@smu]

And just because I am shorter than 6'

There were 5 LBs taken in the 2005 draft that are shorter than 6' and 3 probowl LBs that are shorter than 6'

[Stallion]

Lance McIllhenney was the All-Time winniest QB in the history of the SWC until Bucky Richardson finally beat him out in the last year. He was First Team All-American as far as I'm concerned in the offense we ran-truly one of the greatest option QBs in the history of the game. What's your point. He's no Mike Romo-thank god. There's another guy with great stats who never would have gotten off the bench pre 1989.

[Peruna88]

This thread is giving me tired head.

[huntnfish]

Stallion- my point with McIlhhenny is he did not play pro ball yet was a great college player- earlier you stated several times that pro ball equals greatness as a college player- McIlhenny and several other Mustangs may have never played college football, yet that does not take away from their greatness in college- now your gonna act like that's not what you said- typical of you - you build a model and chastise others where you believe their suggestions won't fit, yet you bend the rules for your examples

I never said four year starters- I said they could play and start on the 1980 teams

-you might not want to beat up on Wolf to much, Michigan offered a scholarship to him, Shembechler was perplexed when he went to SMU instead- you really don't know as much as you think Stallion- actually you are an idiot

also, Chiles was 5'11 330 but was a great pulling guard, but again, 5'11 does not fit into your "great" model- and that's a shame b/c you really miss out on some great players

[Dooby]

Jason White-Heisman winner-undrafted free agent-terrible college football player.

[Charleston Pony]

I thought this post was about NEXT YEAR'S TEAM? I don't know why everybody shouldn't be more optimistic about next year. Bottom line is that with few exceptions (how many senior starters did we lose?), we should be improved at virtually every position. Does that mean a winning season? Obviously not, because we have SO far to go to even be competitive with half the programs on our schedule, but surely everyone on this board who has followed this team the last 5-6 years can see that things are at least looking better. Isn't that basically what Bennett is saying?

[Rosebud]

Lance McIllhenney was the All-Time winniest QB in the history of the SWC until Bucky Richardson finally beat him out in the last year.

"Winniest" is not a word, counselor. Neither is "winningest," despite its annoying repeated appearance in publications these days. Perhaps you mean "whiniest"?

He was First Team All-American as far as I'm concerned ....

Ah .... not only do you have the answers to all that ails the athletic department, you now have have replaced the Associated Press and the Football Writers Association of America as the distributor of All-America honors?

.... He's no Mike Romo-thank god. There's another guy with great stats who never would have gotten off the bench pre 1989.

If you don't respect the talent and heart of Mike Romo -- he was too small, too slow, had bad knees and didn't have the strongest arm, yet he put up tremendous numbers -- then you know even less about football than we thought. And that's saying something. What Romo did at SMU was incredible.

Now once and for all, what say we all get over fighting about who the biggest expert is? The coaches and players -- past and present -- know more than any of us. Accept it. Get over it. Move on.

[PlanoStang]

.... He's no Mike Romo-thank god. There's another guy with great stats who never would have gotten off the bench pre 1989.

If you don't respect the talent and heart of Mike Romo -- he was too small, too slow, had bad knees and didn't have the strongest arm, yet he put up tremendous numbers -- then you know even less about football than we thought. And that's saying something. What Romo did at SMU was incredible.

Now once and for all, what say we all get over fighting about who the biggest expert is? The coaches and players -- past and present -- know more than any of us. Accept it. Get over it. Move on.[/quote]


Thank God for Mike Romo. If I remember right, he was the first to sign a letter of intent with Forrest Gregg.