Rutgers coach Mike Rice

[GiddyUp]

guess there are worse coaches out there --- >

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/ ... es/n35031/

[DallasDiehard]

If players speak out then they stand a chance of being blackballed or losing a scholarship. Murdock lost his job because he brought this is to the AD's attention. Kids are pretty much at the mercy of the coaches when this stuff goes on. Glad Murdock spoke up about it. There recruiting would have suffer greatly if they had not gotten rid of the coach and AD in my opinion. Several faculty members at Rutger (not media) are called for the president of the school to resign. Probably due to lack of institutional control.

If I were a head coach at another school, I'd hire Murdock in a heartbeat. He was a great player, he's smart, and he apparently was the only member of the staff at Rutgers with the integrity and nerve to stand up and say something.

[bubba pony]

Murdock screwed up when he asked Rutgers for $950,000 two weeks after releasing the tape. He didn't play that hand correctly. Looked like extortion.
the AD, IMO fell on the sword for dear old Rutgers.

[RyanSMU98]

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2013/04/08/rutgers-says-it-didnt-have-cause-fire-rice-contract-suggests-otherwise Interesting read on the whole Mike Rice situation. He should have been out on his [deleted] a lot sooner.

[Water Pony]

"However, the FBI is reportedly investigating whether Murdock attempted to extort Rutgers by demanding $950,000 shortly after his firing, before ultimately leaking the video."

Whether Murdock did or did not to blackmail Rutgers, both sides will lose in this public debate.

[ponyte]

One is a curse word and one is a derogatory word specifically targeted at a group of people.

I'm sure people of your parents generation thought it was mildly amusing when people started getting upset about using the N word.

One usually can't speak for other's generational beliefs, thoughts, attitudes or convictions. Unfortunately, most of us (but certainly not all of us) can't read the dead's thoughts.

People often use slang to demarcate certain diseases. The term ‘Sociopath’ is often utilized to describe those that commit heinous crimes without remorse. Yet, there isn’t use of the term to describe a mental illness disease in the last couple of generations. Sociopath (with its negative connotation) is usual a slang to describe a personality disorder known as antisocial personality disorder (Axis II diagnosis). One sure can argue that the slang may be derogatory, just as the term ‘Leper’ which was/is used to describe those with both wet and dry leprosy, has been derogatory for millennium.

Based on DSM-III, homosexuality was an Axis 1 mental illness disease. That changed with the publication of DSM-IV-TR (2005) which no longer classified homosexuality as a Mental Illness Disease (either Axis I or Axis II). Thus, thirty years ago when one used any terminology to denote homosexuals, it was in reference to a then scientifically (and medically) recognized mental disease. It is interesting that the difference between DSM-III to DSM-IV not only excludes homosexuality as a mental health disease, but homosexuality is the only sexual behavior now that does not have any mental health issues or diagnosis. Thus, it went from a recognized disease to the only sexual behavior that can’t be classified as a disease.

I am not justifying the terms use by the coach, merely finding it interesting how society has changed its attitude where one word is now so offensive as to cost one’s job and a mere 8 years ago it's use described a medically recognized mental illness disease.

[SMU2007]

and, as I will point out to you again, slang terms used to describe a specific subset of people, while commonplace for certain, usual older, groups of people, are no longer appropriate in today's society as they are derogatory references to their race, sexual orientation, medical/mental conditions etc.

There are a million examples of words that older generations did not find offensive, used to describe (and usually denigrate) another group of people. Most of these are racially oriented, and hopefully you believe that the N word and various other racial slurs are no longer appropriate ways to refer to those groups, even though people of earlier generations used them without thinking twice. In the same vein, using derogatory words to refer to someone's sexual orientation are no longer appropriate in today's society. The drivel about the DSM has no relevance here.

[SMU2007]

I'm not trying to specifically attack you, just trying to prove a point. I know you aren't advocating that what the coach did was a great or appropriate thing. I'm also not advocating that he should definitely be fired for his actions.

[SMU 86]

Throwing balls at students heads at high speeds are definitely not appropriate. They don't have on a helmet.

[couch 'em]

We should ask why a law firm hired to investigate the behavior found no cause for firing. There seems to be more to the storu

[Bergermeister]

Exactly who is the "appropriate" police?

[SMU 86]

Exactly who is the "appropriate" police?

Are you saying that you have no problem with derogatory slurs? Just curious as what you mean.

[gostangs]

by the way, i am the appropriate police.

[BigT3x]

Exactly who is the "appropriate" police?

It's just interesting that a website that's hyper vigilant about words that are allowed on daytime broadcast TV allows epithets.