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DMN Article: SMU, TCU - New places to go, teams to beat

Postby MrMustang1965 » Sun Jul 03, 2005 1:27 am

It only took Calvin Watkins of the DMN 3 days to get the story in the DMN. Our first day in CUSA was July 1. Better late than never, I guess. :roll:

By CALVIN WATKINS / The Dallas Morning News


Not since the breakup of the Southwest Conference have changes in Division I alignment affected SMU and TCU as they are now.

The former SWC rivals officially moved to new conference homes Friday.

SMU left the Western Athletic Conference for Conference USA.

TCU departed C-USA for the Mountain West.

The schools are not alone in changing conferences. In all, 27 schools made moves.

C-USA lost nine schools and added six. The WAC lost four and added three. The Mountain West made no subtractions but gained TCU. The Big East, Atlantic Coast Conference, Mid-American and Sun Belt also have received facelifts.

"We've seen a lot of switching," NCAA president Myles Brand said. "But the like schools have come together. C-USA will do just fine, and the Big East will do just fine.

"I think people got overly excited about the realignment, and we haven't completely worked it all out yet. But I think the conferences will be stronger."

The flurry of changes started last year with Boston College's decision to follow Miami and leave the Big East for the ACC. BC's move prompted the Big East to grab five schools from C-USA and force other schools to rethink their positions in other conferences.

TCU made the switch to the Mountain West to align itself with a conference that has a better chance to earn its members BCS money. SMU moved to C-USA to align itself with schools in the Southwest region.

Utah, a Mountain West member, became the first non-BCS school to play in a BCS bowl last year, beating Pittsburgh in the Fiesta Bowl. Utah earned $13.5 million for the game, a percentage of which went to Mountain West schools.

Eric Hyman, who left the athletic director's position at TCU in April and is now AD at South Carolina, said BCS money and other factors were reasons for the move.

"Our long-term aspirations are to be a national program," Hyman said before his departure from TCU. "We've made a commitment to that in infrastructure and seeing our teams win games. It's always going to be a work in progress, but this gives us a little more stability."

Jim Copeland, the athletic director at SMU, said the Mustangs' move into C-USA is financially responsible and helps build a regional fan base.

"If you talk about national recognition, that comes from the prestige of the conference and what type of television package you have," Copeland said. "National recognition comes through being in the Eastern media. But people in the West find out their football games aren't covered until Monday morning. That's a fact of life."

Copeland also pointed out that travel to the West Coast is tough on players in terms of scheduling classes, and it drains money from the athletic budget. C-USA's members are spread across the East, Midwest and Southwest.

Copeland estimated the football program spent $200,000 on a trip to play former conference mate Hawaii.

Hyman said TCU's travel costs will rise, but contends the amount of money gained in other ways – television package, attendance and possible BCS money – can offset it.

SMU officials hope home attendance will improve for football games against schools with closer regional ties. Games against Tulsa, Rice, Houston, UT-El Paso and Tulane offer Mustangs fans schools they are familiar with and road teams' fans the opportunity to drive or catch a short flight to Dallas.

TCU also expects that having new opponents to showcase will result in increased attendance.

Hyman said home football attendance was better when the Horned Frogs played Western-based teams than it was during TCU's stay in C-USA.

Even though SMU is turning to the East and TCU is heading to the West, the rivalry will continue.

"I think playing in a conference with like schools – Rice, Houston – is good for us," SMU football coach Phil Bennett said. "We need to build our fan base in the Southwest part of the country. I like playing TCU and wished they had stayed, but we have to move forward. We'll continue to play them; I have no problem with that."

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Postby Charleston Pony » Sun Jul 03, 2005 6:26 am

Copeland's right about programs playing out west not getting media exposure. Boise has been a solid football program for years but has had to start playing those Fri nite games for anyone to notice. Most people around here (S.C./SEC-ACC country) still think the MWC schools are in the WAC. TCU may be playing against stronger competition, but there's definitely a risk associated with that move. I'm happy with where SMU is today.
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Postby LakeHighlandsPony » Sun Jul 03, 2005 8:22 am

When you are 5-6 (Tarrant County Univ) against a very weak schedule and Texas Tech drills you for 77 points you should not be positioning for BCS matters. I admit though they are a much better program than us(Thanks Copeland). TCU will never admit this was a bad move. The bottom line is they did not want to be in a conference with us!!
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Postby OldPony » Sun Jul 03, 2005 9:42 am

SMU is in the right place for now. We must win in CUSA West though because the competition is dreadful (as are we). Win and other choices will come. Lose and we get a permanent spot on the bottom 10. That starts THIS year.
Do you think Phil has asked anyone how to stop an option offense? The CUSA West Championship goes thru Rice and UTEP methinks.
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Postby davidsmu94 » Sun Jul 03, 2005 10:50 am

TCU will Rue the day, we'll see how many people show up for the TCU New Mexico game
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Postby Charleston Pony » Sun Jul 03, 2005 3:01 pm

say what you will about the MWC, but it's members will be sharing the $13.5 million Utah got for reaching that BCS game.
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Postby Stallion » Sun Jul 03, 2005 4:11 pm

I'd be willing to bet that TCU/New Mexico outdraws SMU v. every other SMU CUSA game. I seriously doubt that if you averaged the SMU series against Rice, UH, Tulane and Tulsa since the DP that those games averaged over 15,000.
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Postby MrMustang1965 » Sun Jul 03, 2005 4:30 pm

Charleston Pony wrote:say what you will about the MWC, but it's members will be sharing the $13.5 million Utah got for reaching that BCS game.
CP: Will TCU get a part of that share?
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Postby SMU Football Blog » Sun Jul 03, 2005 6:24 pm

MrMustang1965 wrote:
Charleston Pony wrote:say what you will about the MWC, but it's members will be sharing the $13.5 million Utah got for reaching that BCS game.
CP: Will TCU get a part of that share?


No.
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Postby davidsmu94 » Sun Jul 03, 2005 6:53 pm

Stallion wrote:I'd be willing to bet that TCU/New Mexico outdraws SMU v. every other SMU CUSA game. I seriously doubt that if you averaged the SMU series against Rice, UH, Tulane and Tulsa since the DP that those games averaged over 15,000.


Compairing their attendance to ours really isn't the point, give them another sub par year and I'm guessing thier attendance will go way down and they will wish they were playing a team that would at least travel well.
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Postby GrapevineMustang » Sun Jul 03, 2005 7:22 pm

Stallion wrote:I'd be willing to bet that TCU/New Mexico outdraws SMU v. every other SMU CUSA game. I seriously doubt that if you averaged the SMU series against Rice, UH, Tulane and Tulsa since the DP that those games averaged over 15,000.
Jeez, I was starting to miss you and your rah-rah spirit.
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Postby MrMustang1965 » Sun Jul 03, 2005 7:43 pm

He's still mean. :evil:
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Postby Frog03 » Sun Jul 03, 2005 9:10 pm

davidsmu94 wrote:
Stallion wrote:I'd be willing to bet that TCU/New Mexico outdraws SMU v. every other SMU CUSA game. I seriously doubt that if you averaged the SMU series against Rice, UH, Tulane and Tulsa since the DP that those games averaged over 15,000.


Compairing their attendance to ours really isn't the point, give them another sub par year and I'm guessing thier attendance will go way down and they will wish they were playing a team that would at least travel well.


Yeah, because SMU, Rice, Houston, Tulane and Tulsa certainly filled up the visitors sections. Give me a freaking break. SMU fans won't even make the trip across the Metroplex. If any of those teams actually did ANYTHING to boost attendance, then we'd have thought harder about sticking around. So if you know visiting fan's attendance isn't going to be good one way or another, then you might as well play teams that are serious about being competitive, and who your fan base will be interested in seeing. And whether you care to admit it or not, the majority of college football fans would rather see the teams on TCU's schedule this year, than they would have if we had stayed in CUSA.

CUSA makes sense for SMU, but it makes NO sense for TCU. Its a step up from the WAC, but a step down from the old CUSA.
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Postby davidsmu94 » Sun Jul 03, 2005 9:20 pm

Frog03 wrote:
davidsmu94 wrote:
Stallion wrote:I'd be willing to bet that TCU/New Mexico outdraws SMU v. every other SMU CUSA game. I seriously doubt that if you averaged the SMU series against Rice, UH, Tulane and Tulsa since the DP that those games averaged over 15,000.


Compairing their attendance to ours really isn't the point, give them another sub par year and I'm guessing thier attendance will go way down and they will wish they were playing a team that would at least travel well.


Yeah, because SMU, Rice, Houston, Tulane and Tulsa certainly filled up the visitors sections. Give me a freaking break. SMU fans won't even make the trip across the Metroplex. If any of those teams actually did ANYTHING to boost attendance, then we'd have thought harder about sticking around. So if you know visiting fan's attendance isn't going to be good one way or another, then you might as well play teams that are serious about being competitive, and who your fan base will be interested in seeing. And whether you care to admit it or not, the majority of college football fans would rather see the teams on TCU's schedule this year, than they would have if we had stayed in CUSA.

CUSA makes sense for SMU, but it makes NO sense for TCU. Its a step up from the WAC, but a step down from the old CUSA.


Yeah Froggie, we'll see. You guys were filling up those stands back in 96
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